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Author Topic: At Least Ninety-Six Crackpot Interpretations  (Read 11251 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 10:46:59, 16-04-2008 »

whereas I think the Bernstein will be a normal ~17mins or so.
John

Going back into the mists of memory, wasn't the Bernstein abnormally long a performance,

Bernstein's Rhapsody in Blue - I've not heard it for years - it's a gruesome performance! One of the reasons it takes longer is that a solo piano G major section in the middle, which is customarily taken at crotchet 120 or so, is played rather dreamily with a ghastly swing . . . Be careful when comparing versions: several have cuts.
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« Reply #16 on: 14:05:19, 16-04-2008 »

The next excerpt from our mad Dutchman (still not 'flying') concerns the G# Minor Prelude (WTC Book 2). In this performance, we hear him again sight-reading his way through it with many bumps and starts. Quite apart from the lunacy displayed by the interpretation, rectitude of (and faithfulness to) Bach's actual notes is a serious factor.

G# Minor is not the easiest key to sight-read, but our plonker seems undaunted by the challenge (even with the tapes rolling). The test here, however, is for YOU to count how many wrong notes/misreadings you can hear in the performance (a score to hand may assist, although most of them are obvious to people with normal ears - unlike our present performer). See if your tally corresponds with mine...

Totally-Crackpot G# Minor Prelude
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« Reply #17 on: 14:11:46, 16-04-2008 »

I've posted this before,  but for anyone who didn't see it the first time...   what happens if you drink half a pint of Johnny Walker before singing CARMEN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNJ9w8KJdKY
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« Reply #18 on: 15:56:43, 16-04-2008 »

The next excerpt from our mad Dutchman (still not 'flying') concerns the G# Minor Prelude (WTC Book 2). In this performance, we hear him again sight-reading his way through it with many bumps and starts.

It certainly sounds like sight-reading with its unexplained hesitations and abrupt changes of tempo. To find all the wrong notes would take us too long at least to-day but there is something funny going on on the third beat of bar 8 the first time round is not there? An A sharp instead of a G sharp? Listening to it is not a pleasure. The speed seems altogether wrong; the piece should move along at a steady spanking pace rather in the way a second crackpot plays it here or here.
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Baz
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« Reply #19 on: 16:32:42, 16-04-2008 »

The next excerpt from our mad Dutchman (still not 'flying') concerns the G# Minor Prelude (WTC Book 2). In this performance, we hear him again sight-reading his way through it with many bumps and starts.

It certainly sounds like sight-reading with its unexplained hesitations and abrupt changes of tempo. To find all the wrong notes would take us too long at least to-day but there is something funny going on on the third beat of bar 8 the first time round is not there? An A sharp instead of a G sharp? Listening to it is not a pleasure. The speed seems altogether wrong; the piece should move along at a steady spanking pace rather in the way a second crackpot plays it here or here.


Well, that is certainly a more exciting performance. But that, too, is not without its mistaken (or misunderstood) note pitches, is it?!

Baz
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« Reply #20 on: 18:09:35, 16-04-2008 »


You have indeed - but it remains extraodinary.  The look on the tenor's face at about 0.48 when the full horror of what is happening dawns on him is priceless.
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« Reply #21 on: 09:45:28, 17-04-2008 »

The test here, however, is for YOU to count how many wrong notes/misreadings you can hear in the performance (a score to hand may assist, although most of them are obvious to people with normal ears - unlike our present performer). See if your tally corresponds with mine...

We do not feel quite comfortable looking out for wrong notes as we fear the practice could quickly become addictive. But if the Member is proposing - is he? - here to set up a system which awards points to people who find them it could become a popular pastime.

We have now had time to sit down with Mr. Berben a little longer and have found four mistakes so far; there may well be more - quite apart from the pauses and abrupt changes of tempo which seem governed by neither rhyme nor reason! Perhaps it is something to do with his weak eyes as may be inspected here:


We do note though that he gives an average of four recitals a month so some one must enjoy his interpretations. Our findings are:

1) in bar 8, third beat, treble, first time around, A sharp is struck where G sharp is written
2) in bar 37, first beat, bass, D sharp is struck where E sharp is written
3) in bar 43, second beat, treble, A sharp demisemiquaver is omitted
4) in bar 45, second beat, treble, E natural is struck where E sharp is written

So how many are there actually Mr. Baziron? (And incidentally what does the Member mean by his enigmatic "not without its mistaken (or misunderstood) note pitches" in relation to something else?)

It should here be noted that - if we may quote Tovey again - "No other piece in the Forty-eight has so many interesting alternative readings," but we doubt this applies to the instances to which reference is made above.

On a quite different tack here is to-day's crackpot version of Bach's C major Fugue from the first Book: rapidshare or sendspace.
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« Reply #22 on: 11:09:02, 17-04-2008 »

I went to a (professional) performance of Pictures at an Exhibition once in which the poor trumpeter just couldn't get the notes in the Two Jews at all. He stood up and took a bow at the end but the applause was out of sympathy, I think. He just shook his head and looked at his instrument.

But I would rather have a few wrong notes in a committed performance rather than one that was perfect but dull. Having said that, I've never understood why Karajan's Planets from about 1981 is praised so much. Once magazine (can't remember which) rated it amongst his best ten. One irritation is the organ glissando at the end of Uranus which overshoots. The early, rather crude, digital sound makes it all the more prominent.
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« Reply #23 on: 11:11:38, 17-04-2008 »

Replying to Mr Grew - although I wasn't seriously inviting members laboriously to count the errors (but was instead being slightly rhetorical), I actually make it 19 serious misreadings (which most of them are, rather than 'variant' readings - which the member is quite correct in pointing out do exist).

Apart from not tying the C## in bar 24 (a minimal though annoying error), I note the following distinct wrong notes - 'wrong' that is when compared against the perfectly sound reading provided by the London BL autograph score (which was used for the G. Henle Verlag Urtext edition):

Bar 7 - LH plays 2 Bs instead of 2 A#s on beat 3
Bar 9 - RH plays E# instead of E-natural in beat 2
Bar 14 - RH plays F## instead of F# on beat 3
Bar 19 - the RH trill includes E# instead of E-natural (even though the present tonality is G# Minor
Bar 21 - the last note in the LH plays G# instead of F#
Bar 23 - the 14th note in the LH is played as D# instead of E# (but only on the repeat!)
Bar 26 - RH plays E-natural instead of E# on the fourth beat
Bar 28 - RH (echoing the previous misreading) plays B-natural instead of B# on the fourth beat
Bar 32 - RH plays G-natural instead of G# on the fourth quaver
Bar 37 - On beat 1, the RH plays F# instead of F##, while the LH plays E-natural instead of E#
Bar 38 - the RH plays C# on beat 3 instead of C##
Bar 39 - the LH plays G-natural instead of G# on the 8th quaver, and E-natural instead of E# on the 12th
Bar 45 - the top notes of the RH play F-natural/E instead of F#/E# in beat 2
Bar 49 - the LH plays B-natural instead of B# in beat 3

Baz
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« Reply #24 on: 11:18:32, 17-04-2008 »

I went to a (professional) performance of Pictures at an Exhibition once in which the poor trumpeter just couldn't get the notes in the Two Jews at all. He stood up and took a bow at the end but the applause was out of sympathy, I think. He just shook his head and looked at his instrument.

But I would rather have a few wrong notes in a committed performance rather than one that was perfect but dull. Having said that, I've never understood why Karajan's Planets from about 1981 is praised so much. Once magazine (can't remember which) rated it amongst his best ten. One irritation is the organ glissando at the end of Uranus which overshoots. The early, rather crude, digital sound makes it all the more prominent.
martle, back! Be nice!

Tony, a conductor giving a player a stand-up when they've had a night like that counts as borderline meanness in my book...

And yes, I have a live CD of Mahler 6 which has plenty of crass ensemble blunders, fluffs and outright wrong entries, hardly anything's together, and the hammer is clearly striking metal when that's about the one thing Mahler specified it shouldn't do.

It's also in mono and is the only Mahler 6 I listen to at all regularly. I don't know another recording that brings the piece across more powerfully. I think you've all heard me rave on about it quite enough already though.


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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #25 on: 11:30:34, 17-04-2008 »

I actually make it 19 serious misreadings.

Crikey! - plus the one in bar 8 which makes twenty (at least).

Of course much the same thing happens when music is type-set and published.
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« Reply #26 on: 10:14:20, 18-04-2008 »

To-day it is the turn of Bach's C minor Prelude from the first Book to be presented here in crackpotted guise: rapidshare or sendspace.
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Baz
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« Reply #27 on: 19:50:44, 18-04-2008 »

To-day it is the turn of Bach's C minor Prelude from the first Book to be presented here in crackpotted guise: rapidshare or sendspace.


Mmm - sounds a little like Glenn Gould on a good day.

I'll get my coat now!

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« Reply #28 on: 23:23:33, 18-04-2008 »

I linked to this before on M&S, I think, in a different context, but some might find this cd of bach (samples available on this page) to be quite...provocative... .

Gosh, that slow 3/2 wassit goes on half dunnit Baz?
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« Reply #29 on: 08:22:13, 19-04-2008 »

I linked to this before on M&S, I think, in a different context, but some might find this cd of bach (samples available on this page) to be quite...provocative... .

Gosh, that slow 3/2 wassit goes on half dunnit Baz?

Well one can only imagine the stress of sight reading a complicated piece in 6 flats in front of a live microphone! As my mother always used to say (in her inimitable 'northern' accent): "Practise i' SLOWLY!".

Baz
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