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Author Topic: At Least Ninety-Six Crackpot Interpretations  (Read 11251 times)
Sydney Grew
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« on: 12:12:01, 15-04-2008 »

In this thread Members are invited to discuss all the misguided odd wrong bad peculiar or crazy performances they have experienced. Musical examples in the form of .MP3 files and the like will be welcome, as will scans of the corresponding pages of scores. We have Mr. Baziron to thank for - unknowingly - suggesting the title when in one of his messages he used the phrase!

Here as a first example is a crackpot interpretation of Prelude I from Book I of Bach's Forty-Eight Preludes and Fugues in all Keys for the Well-Tempered Clavier: Rapidshare link or Sendspace link. [It is a small .MP3 file: 1) download or save it to somewhere on your own computer; and 2) once downloaded, "play" or "open" it.]
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« Reply #1 on: 12:17:41, 15-04-2008 »

Ah!

We look forward immensely to being back at Château Sudden and having our collection at our disposal for we have some truly wonderful misreadings we would be delighted to share with the assembled company.

Many of them are in otherwise excellent performances of course. The glockenspiel in the Baker/Barbirolli recording of Mahler's Kindertotenlieder playing an F instead of a D. The sleigh bells instead of cowbells in the Mravinsky recording of the Strauss Alpine Symphony. The recording of a Graupner overture in which a little ornament has been misread as a sharp giving a beautiful but completely absurd augmented triad...

We shall post all these in due course.
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« Reply #2 on: 12:48:42, 15-04-2008 »

There's a misread note (or it may have been a correctly read misprinted note due to a clef being wrong - I can't now remember) in the second of Godowsky's Studies on the Études of Chopin on Carlo Grante's otherwise excellent complete recording of this mammoth cycle that for a time became infamous because it was noticed as being replicated in the complete recording "by" Joyce Hatto in the early days of the scandal breaking just over a year ago; now that's hardly a candidate for a crackpot interpretation but it might be seen as an example of where such things might originate...
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« Reply #3 on: 12:58:18, 15-04-2008 »

Oxford Town Hall, about 1981.  The Oxford Pro Musica - a local semi-pro orchestra - is, ambitiously but not altogether wisely, essaying Bruckner 7.  As the slow movement moves inexorably towards its climax, the cymbal player, having sat patiently through forty minutes of music, stands up to play his one note, missess his cue and sits down again, without having played at all.

Eminent professor overheard afterwards opining that OPM should "stick to Dittersdorf". 

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« Reply #4 on: 15:18:36, 15-04-2008 »

I wish I could produce recordings to prove it, but I remember somebody had found proof that part of Gershwin's celebrated Rhapsody in Blue had been miscopied, and the rapid piano line was originally something quite different.
And Allegri's famous miserere, cobbled together from various aural transcriptions- when a score of the original was finally unearthed in the Vatican library, it didn't include that soaring soprano leap at all!
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« Reply #5 on: 15:33:42, 15-04-2008 »

Oxford Town Hall, about 1981.  The Oxford Pro Musica - a local semi-pro orchestra - is, ambitiously but not altogether wisely, essaying Bruckner 7.  As the slow movement moves inexorably towards its climax, the cymbal player, having sat patiently through forty minutes of music, stands up to play his one note, missess his cue and sits down again, without having played at all.


Hah! I fantasise about this very thing happening every time I see Hitchcock's The man who knew too much... Cheesy

This excerpt from a performance of R. Strauss' Elektra features a memory slip 3'57" that just makes me see red, as she treads all over one of my favourite moments in the opera...
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« Reply #6 on: 18:13:07, 15-04-2008 »

a crackpot interpretation of Prelude I from Book I of Bach's Forty-Eight Preludes and Fugues in all Keys for the Well-Tempered Clavier

Glenn Gould please!
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« Reply #7 on: 20:33:03, 15-04-2008 »

I wish I could produce recordings to prove it, but I remember somebody had found proof that part of Gershwin's celebrated Rhapsody in Blue had been miscopied, and the rapid piano line was originally something quite different.

I might just be able to check that out for you Kitty. The two recordings I have of Rhapsody in Blue are Gershwin's first recording with Paul Whiteman's Orch in 1924 on the 78rpm HMV C1395, and I have Bernstein's LA Phil. recording on a DG LP.

The 78 version has been cut down to fit the 12" disc, about 5mins each side, whereas I think the Bernstein will be a normal ~17mins or so. Because of that I will have a problem comparing the two but I'll listen if there's a rapid piano line on the 78, or a passage on the 78 that isn't on the LP - I'll struggle with that  Roll Eyes

Might have to wait till day off, Friday, to do that, if no-one here has them on CD.


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« Reply #8 on: 09:11:59, 16-04-2008 »

This is supposed to be the Eb Minor Prelude from Bach's WTC (Book 1). The performer does not understand that in Baroque times the signature 3/2 indicated a basically 'fast' or 'flowing' tempo. However, I have a theory: since this player is notorious for his large number of wrong notes (absent in this case), I think that this performance was played by his young son who was sight-reading the piece as it was recorded...

Crackpot Eb Minor Prelude

Members are advised to make their cup of coffee before playing the file (though there is probably still time to do so between the first and second chords for those who forget).

When you have had enough, just click the STOP button.
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« Reply #9 on: 09:22:13, 16-04-2008 »

Nice one, Baz. I made it through 4 bars before losing the will to live. Now, about that coffee...
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« Reply #10 on: 09:41:11, 16-04-2008 »

Sorry, couldn't resist it. Here's a semi-crackpot rendition of that performance.
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« Reply #11 on: 09:49:46, 16-04-2008 »

Of course, the pace of life was slower in the C18th.  That's why they used those big note-values.  I look forward to this performer's interpretations of music from the Buxheimer Organ-Book; where it's all written-out in breves and semibreves Wink
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« Reply #12 on: 09:51:17, 16-04-2008 »

whereas I think the Bernstein will be a normal ~17mins or so.
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Going back into the mists of memory, wasn't the Bernstein abnormally long a performance, rather in the nature of his Nimrod? I don't have any copies of the Gershwin to hand, but I have a notion that average playing time should be more like fourteen minutes than seventeen.

(I don't have that LB Enigma either, but that severely extended, perhaps even etiolated, reading of its emotional core should surely count amongst the more eccentric of interpretations: anyone willing to admit to possessing it?)
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #13 on: 10:20:39, 16-04-2008 »

The performer does not understand that in Baroque times the signature 3/2 indicated a basically 'fast' or 'flowing' tempo. However, I have a theory: since this player is notorious for his large number of wrong notes (absent in this case), I think that this performance was played by his young son who was sight-reading the piece as it was recorded...

The two versions so far presented are certainly very strange. Who is the performer Mr. Baziron? Is it that same Dutchman? He shows no awareness of the beauty of the harmony at bar 13. And at bar 28 he startles us by coming to a complete halt!

Here is yet another crackpot version, the third, also slow, probably too slow, but it has the great advantage in Bach of proper reverberating sostenendo and even so is not as slow as the first: Rapidshare and Sendspace.

Tovey by the way suggests that the tempo should be "Tempo da Sarabanda" and determined by bars 12 13 14 and 18.
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Baz
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« Reply #14 on: 10:45:30, 16-04-2008 »

...Who is the performer Mr. Baziron? Is it that same Dutchman? He shows no awareness of the beauty of the harmony at bar 13. And at bar 28 he startles us by coming to a complete halt!

It is indeed the same Dutchman - though not exactly a 'flying' one on this occasion.

Your amusing synthesized versions (I think you have given us at least three) are not in my view quite as 'crackpot' as some of the supposedly 'normal' ones. Possibly Bach might have identified more with that sound (bearing in mind its similarity with an organ) than he might have done with a modern Steinway? Also, the arrangements themselves - while bearing little affinity with anything remotely 'authentic' - do seem to take some trouble to evince the internal melodic design of the models. They are, of course, computerized versions that lack the human touch, but they should not necessarily be dismissed as total 'rubbish'.

[Blimey - is this ME talking?]

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