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Author Topic: Why can we listen to the same music over and over again?  (Read 765 times)
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« on: 15:03:24, 29-04-2008 »

If you buy a new book, you will read it once and put it on the shelf. You might not get it down again for years, if at all.

If a new play opens, you will go to one performance.

If there's a new exhibition at the art gallery, you will go once.

(There will be rare "favourite" exceptions to the above, of course.)

But if you buy a new CD, you will play it... and play it... and play it... maybe have a short break from it... and play it...

Why can we listen to one piece of music over and over without any lessening of the experience?


Just something that popped into my head  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #1 on: 16:30:58, 29-04-2008 »

How I agree with you!! I have phases when I listen to one or two cds over and over again then move onto something else.

I think it is the 'being able to sing along' ( in my head of course Roll Eyes) mentality!! Also knowing what is to come .. like looking forward to an outing, that happy expectation of something wonderful to come.

Isn't it so relaxing and also so exhilerating  to listen to a favourite so many times !?

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« Reply #2 on: 18:21:39, 29-04-2008 »



A few throwaway observations; not meant as direct replies to your points, IRF, but as extra food for thought.

A disc, unlike most books, is easily covered in one sitting.  Once it's on the deck you might as well listen through to the end.  Remember double-sided LPs?  I don't know about you but I often played one side far more often than the other.  Likewise, would you be as likely to play a multi-disc set - an opera or ballet, say, or a long symphony - repeatedly as you would a single-disc set?  Perhaps you even (horror of horrors) choose which disc you prefer from, for example, Coppelia and just play that one?

A disc is yours once you've paid for it (or for as long as you're renting it); and you can enjoy it as often as you wish in a location of your choice unlike a play or an exhibition. 

Those are just a couple of reasons why we might listen to our favourite music, or to music that appeals to us on first hearing, more often than with other art forms.  But I think its also to do with music having a far more direct appeal than most other media.  It can engender instant and predictable gratification in a way that's similar to that created by a favourite taste.  Reading and visual arts seldom do this; though pornography might have an analogous effect on some people and poetry often tempts people to read the same piece over and over.

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« Reply #3 on: 18:14:34, 24-05-2008 »

...some thoughts..

i look at the pictures on my walls often, many times not seeing anything new, or even seeing what i know is there but they make me feel 'there'

music also makes me feel in a personal 'place', and i like to go there


..and now i think of it so do some movies, watch them again and again, know every line, still takes me there...

the medium lp/cd/dvd makes it possible

some books do this for me and i have reread them - the Aubrey Maturin novels for instance...again it  is a case of 'being there', a transport, a removal from the world...

not at all the same as hearing for the first time or live, different kind of attention from me...
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« Reply #4 on: 22:43:32, 24-05-2008 »

Regarding some pieces of music heard for the first time i find that i miss a lot and need to hear it again to appreciate and get good idea of whether i like it or not. One example was Messiaen Turangalia Symphony in which first time hearing i hated with a vengance and two or three times after but i was once on a long car journey and for some reason was the only cd i brought along so i played it again and again and it really is one of my favourite pieces !! Why ? who knows but maybe replaying it does this ? Not sure if all pieces of music has this effect though!
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« Reply #5 on: 23:01:45, 24-05-2008 »

(Hi, offbeat! Good to see you. How's the racing form these days?  Smiley )

Obviously increased familiarity with any piece of art can increase one's understanding of it. But the issue very quickly boils down to how many repeat experiences one can take, or put another way, that the artwork can deliver without becoming tiresome. I suppose music's convenient in this respect: it doesn't take a lot of effort or time to load up a CD. Whereas it does to revisit an exhibition or re-read a book, relatively speaking at least. But I think there's more to it. Music exists in time and a composer/ musician has the almost unique possibility of 'dictating' the pace of an unfolding structure. (Theatre comes close, but is mediated by far more in the way of temporal latitude by a director and actors; film comes even closer, but is not ostensibly or primarily a musical medium.) It's almost a truism, but you can pretty much reckon an artwork's worth by the extent to which it remains 'fresh' or interesting on any number of encounters. You only have to read threads here about various recorded versions of the same work to understand this; or those that endlessly try to unpick the creative impulses which form it.
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« Reply #6 on: 20:59:01, 25-05-2008 »

Hi Martle- racing fine tks - everyday different

I suppose you are right listening constantly to certain pieces of music can cause it to pail somewhat -of course in my view appreciation of music is surely subjective and what some music lover loves others cant stand -have to admit have many prejudices myself - you only have to see some threads in TOP where certain composers are compared to others as if it was a celebrity contest - so what really constitutes a fine composition is in the ear of the listener - in my view anyway!
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« Reply #7 on: 23:21:34, 25-05-2008 »

Why? Because it can take us out of ourselves and give enormous pleasure to the point where it's all but addictive.

(Most other pursuits that achieve that are costly, dangerous and often illegal.)
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« Reply #8 on: 09:26:39, 26-05-2008 »

I think a lot of how you listen is altered by how you are feeling.  Sometimes, a piece can make you feel happy and yet on other hearings, it has no effect.  I have on two occasions listened to pieces I know very well (I've played them) and it has been as if time stood still (one of the pieces was Liszt's Hymne de la Matin from the early version of Harmonies Poetiques et Religieuses, can't remember the other) and yet I have never had the same effect again since.  Given that we all are subject to changing moods all the time, this seems a good reasoning (as far as I can tell) for this phenomenon.
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« Reply #9 on: 11:08:24, 26-05-2008 »

This does make me think of a related phenomenon... I think we've all (or at least many of us) had the experience of relistening to a well-known piece/recording and not getting the same buzz from it we used to. But we seem in general to be quite happy to say that the piece has changed rather than that we have! At least, I've seen a few such postings to that effect in the last couple of weeks. Some tongue in cheek but even those acknowledging some kind of reality to that process, at least as I read them.

I wonder why we work that way?
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« Reply #10 on: 11:25:34, 26-05-2008 »

I can only get a poem on a repeated reading, and I know it is really good if I know it by heart.

I am not interested in hearing others read poetry.  If I am reciting, then it is with me.  Jonathan, do you get more out of playing Liszt or listening to others play?
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« Reply #11 on: 11:31:17, 26-05-2008 »

what really constitutes a fine composition is in the ear of the listener - in my view anyway!

Unfortunately this is incorrect, because it disregards the intention of the composer. No composer would wish the value of his work to depend upon the subjective view of the listener; on the contrary he sees its value as an objective quality which he himself has with much talent and labour put into it.

It's almost a truism, but you can pretty much reckon an artwork's worth by the extent to which it remains 'fresh' or interesting on any number of encounters.

Indeed so; this is precisely the criterion that distinguishes between first and second raters on the scale of seven we set up some time ago now on the old British Broadcasting message board for the purpose of evaluating music. (Perhaps Mr. Martle even remembers reading about it.) There are certain works of the greatest masters - Bach, Mozart, Litolff - to which a discriminating person - unflagging - will find himself responding in the same grateful way every day of the year.
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« Reply #12 on: 11:34:35, 26-05-2008 »

Jonathan, do you get more out of playing Liszt or listening to others play?

Hi Don,
It depends, I've just played Rossini / Liszt La Danza and thoroughly enjoyed it (ok, it was sight reading) but it helps to gain an appreciation of what is involved when someone else is playing it.  I suppose it's better for me to play than listen but sometimes listening is good especially when it's things like Alkan's Concerto for solo piano which I will never in a million years be able to play at anything like the proper tempo!  Back to more of the Soirees Musicales transcriptions methinks...
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« Reply #13 on: 11:55:13, 26-05-2008 »

I can only get a poem on a repeated reading, and I know it is really good if I know it by heart.

I am not interested in hearing others read poetry.  If I am reciting, then it is with me. 


Don, I know what you mean about others reading poetry but you may, or others possibly might, be interested in this site of poets reading their own works.

http://www.poetryarchive.org/poetryarchive/singlePoet.do?poetId=1392#
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« Reply #14 on: 12:23:38, 26-05-2008 »

When I listen to music I like, I get shivers down my spine - so much so that at time I am unconscious of it. This doesn't happen in the theatre or the cinema (except maybe on account of the music) or when I'm reading. This phenomenon is, I am told, due to endorphin secretion. Naturally, I seek as much of that as possible!
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