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Am I right or am I right?
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #1 on: 03:02:53, 06-05-2007 » |
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I'm with you there. Machaut, Binchois, Landini, & Co are really overdue for a reappraisal (as are the Ars Subtilior generation of their successors)... it was an era of astounding innovation that remains little-appreciated still.
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Evan Johnson
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« Reply #2 on: 21:19:38, 07-05-2007 » |
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I've always been particularly drawn to music that seems to suggest that the composers didn't quite know what they were doing; that is to say, that available technical means outstripped the ability of the composers fully to control them. This is also a quality I find in some of the most interesting contemporary music.
That's what appeals to me about the ars subtilior repertory, and also people like de Vitry (remember that misbegotten thread?), to a lesser extent Machaut, and also the English virginalists, and the earlier Continental keyboard composers like Cabezon, Froberger, Louis Couperin...
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #3 on: 11:07:18, 08-05-2007 » |
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Well then Member Johnson will take some delight in the work of Ascanio Mayone, an early Neapolitan composer who was about 1-1/2 generations more clueless than Froberger. This however did not prevent him from writing large partita sequences lasting nearly 20 minutes.
I just decided never to call you Member Johnson again.
As for Machault, with or without silent L, can anyone recall what Morty Feldman said about this composer during the Middelburg lecture? He was a lot less enthusiastic than Christian Wolff, who apparently couldn't (or maybe still cannot) get enough.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #4 on: 11:10:18, 08-05-2007 » |
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Well then Member Johnson will take some delight in the work of Ascanio Mayone, an early Neapolitan composer who was about 1-1/2 generations more clueless than Froberger. This however did not prevent him from writing large partita sequences lasting nearly 20 minutes. Seconded. I just decided never to call you Member Johnson again. A wise move if I may say so. As for Machault, with or without silent L, can anyone recall what Morty Feldman said about this composer during the Middelburg lecture? He was a lot less enthusiastic than Christian Wolff, who apparently couldn't (or maybe still cannot) get enough.
Somehow I can't imagine Feldman being interested in mediaeval music. Isn't he on record as saying he liked music to be played on expensive instruments? |
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« Reply #5 on: 11:36:26, 08-05-2007 » |
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I posted a similar opinion in t'other place some months ago. I had never heard the name Machaut when I tuned into the Early Music Show and heard a vocal piece so "avant garde" that I though I must be listening to the wrong show! It was very weird music, in a beautiful sort of way, and I honestly would have guessed it was modern.
I collected a list of CD suggestions given by members at the time which I regretably never followed up on. I must dig out the list again and do some purchasing.
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #6 on: 13:28:30, 08-05-2007 » |
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Somehow I can't imagine Feldman being interested in mediaeval music. Isn't he on record as saying he liked music to be played on expensive instruments? Well, I've never tried buying them, but sort of imagine that instruments that actually date from the medieval era would surely satisfy Feldman's demand for lavish spending?  |
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aaron cassidy
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« Reply #7 on: 14:40:52, 08-05-2007 » |
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Well then Member Johnson will take some delight in the work of Ascanio Mayone, an early Neapolitan composer who was about 1-1/2 generations more clueless than Froberger.
Thanks for the tip, CD. I've had a listen to the little clips of the Tactus label disc online ... ah, and there it goes, right into the shopping cart .... Damn this site. I'm going broke. |
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Evan Johnson
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« Reply #8 on: 14:50:52, 08-05-2007 » |
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Well then Member Johnson will take some delight in the work of Ascanio Mayone, an early Neapolitan composer who was about 1-1/2 generations more clueless than Froberger.
Thanks for the tip, CD. I've had a listen to the little clips of the Tactus label disc online ... ah, and there it goes, right into the shopping cart .... Damn this site. I'm going broke. ... and I bought the one caiman.com was offering. it saves time to trust CD and skip listening to the clips  Between the two of us we've probably just made that disc jump several hundred thousand in the amazon sales rankings... |
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #9 on: 15:36:39, 08-05-2007 » |
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Well then Member Johnson will take some delight in the work of Ascanio Mayone, an early Neapolitan composer who was about 1-1/2 generations more clueless than Froberger.
Thanks for the tip, CD. I've had a listen to the little clips of the Tactus label disc online ... ah, and there it goes, right into the shopping cart .... Damn this site. I'm going broke. ... and I bought the one caiman.com was offering. it saves time to trust CD and skip listening to the clips Between the two of us we've probably just made that disc jump several hundred thousand in the amazon sales rankings... Enjoy your Mayonnaise -- in moderation. I also can plug a harpsichord recital entitled Napoli Barocco, with works by Giovanni de Macque and Giovanni Salvatore. The first was actually of Flemish persuasion. Still, these guys definitely 'didn't know what they were doing', and it's fabulous. Any piece entitled 'Consonanze Stravaganti' or 'Durezze e Ligature' usually gets my attention. Michele Deverite (with one downslope in the first name and three upslopes in the last) is on the clavecin. Arion label. Err.. They might also have some Machault, on that label... |
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #10 on: 15:46:29, 08-05-2007 » |
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As for Machault, with or without silent L, can anyone recall what Morty Feldman said about this composer during the Middelburg lecture? He was a lot less enthusiastic than Christian Wolff, who apparently couldn't (or maybe still cannot) get enough.
Somehow I can't imagine Feldman being interested in mediaeval music. Isn't he on record as saying he liked music to be played on expensive instruments? That may be the line I was looking for, but he also said something about how Machault was too repetitive! I'll have to go view the transcripts. |
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Bryn
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« Reply #11 on: 15:51:24, 08-05-2007 » |
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Well then Member Johnson will take some delight in the work of Ascanio Mayone, an early Neapolitan composer who was about 1-1/2 generations more clueless than Froberger.
Thanks for the tip, CD. I've had a listen to the little clips of the Tactus label disc online ... ah, and there it goes, right into the shopping cart .... Damn this site. I'm going broke. ... and I bought the one caiman.com was offering. it saves time to trust CD and skip listening to the clips Between the two of us we've probably just made that disc jump several hundred thousand in the amazon sales rankings... Make that three. You having grabbed the Caiman option, I had to resort to thremite, who can be a tad slow. My, oh my, Real Audio compression just cannot handle harpsichords, can it?! |
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #12 on: 17:12:55, 09-05-2007 » |
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From an interview with Peter Gena at http://www.cnvill.demon.co.uk/mfgena.htmFELDMAN: When's the last time you heard Machaut in Chicago? Did you ever sit through a Machaut mass? You could commit suicide... You go back to Chicago and put on a Machaut mass, but instead of Machaut put John Cage's name on the mass and they will be throwing bottles at the chorus. |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #13 on: 17:32:28, 09-05-2007 » |
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Did you ever sit through a Machaut mass? You could commit suicide... ... suggesting somehow that Feldman's knowledge of Machaut was pretty sketchy. I wonder also what kind of performance of Machaut's (only) Mass he could have "sat through" (if indeed he did). In any case he wasn't known for reasoned and logical arguments (whatever other fine qualities he had). |
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time_is_now
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« Reply #14 on: 17:37:35, 09-05-2007 » |
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whatever other fine qualities he had
Massiveness? |
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