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Author Topic: Hear and Now 01/03/08  (Read 669 times)
richard barrett
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« on: 10:29:24, 25-02-2008 »

This is a plug.

Having heard all the music on this programme I think it's quite an interesting one. The improvisation by Elliott Sharp (guitar) and Christian Marclay (turntables) is an intricate and beautiful thing, as is Chris Burn's transcription for harp. violin and cello of a Derek Bailey solo guitar improvisation (no, really, it sounds like a silly idea but the music is quite something). John Oswald's "arrangement" of Tchaikovsky consists of the orchestra part of the last movement of the Tchaik violin concert, with the solo part replaced by an improvisation by Jon Rose (who obviously knows the piece very well, as all violinists do, and could probably play it if he put his mind to it), which no doubt many will find stupid if not sacrilegious. I thought it was good fun, the kind of thing one might joke about doing but never actually get around to, though I don't think I need to listen to it again very soon.
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« Reply #1 on: 00:50:17, 26-02-2008 »

Thanks for posting this Richard. You've talked about every piece in the programme except for your own. Could you say something about Adrift and maybe something about working with Sarah Nicholls? Where does it fit in your output (does it have anything to do with V&R for example)?
How do you feel it sits in the programme as a whole?
At the moment, you're one of the only people who can possibly contribute to this discussion, but I'm fairly sure that more will join in once we've heard it!
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« Reply #2 on: 01:10:37, 26-02-2008 »

I can say something! Sarah Nicolls is a very fine contemporary pianist, I look forward2hearing the progamme.
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« Reply #3 on: 15:55:44, 26-02-2008 »

I didn't want to say anything about adrift until after the broadcast!

This programme examines different compositional approaches to improvisation (or vice versa) and each piece embodies a different angle on this idea. So it makes sense as a radio programme, even though every piece in it was taken from a different concert programme - in the case of adrift a programme of music for "piano plus electronics" consisting of pieces which had almost nothing in common except their instrumentation, which might be thought a less mutually illuminating situation for the music than the context of the broadcast. I found the discussion part of the programme interesting too, but of course I have no idea which bits will have been chosen to go between the music.

While I was pretty clear at the outset of my project with Sarah how it was going to work, this involved sufficient openness during the process of development and rehearsal that her input was crucial to the identity of (this version of) the piece. Both performers have "fixed" material (in notated or sonic form) about half the time and are improvising freely the other half, and the points at which each performer individually shifts between one and the other are chosen freely and spontaneously during the performance - I was insistent that there should be no "plan" to this but that it really should be spontaneous, so that each performance becomes a process of discovery for the performers, the intention being to communicate this sense to listeners - whether that happens or not isn't really for me to say, but the broadcast performance was the best it's been so far.

I shall now don my anorak and say that adrift (which itself incorporates the solo piano piece lost) will form part of a larger piece for voice and small ensemble called Dying Words, which will be the second part of my Resistance & Vision series, though it won't be the second to be completed unless things go very wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: 18:11:59, 26-02-2008 »

Thanks Richard.
I'm assuming that work on Blattwerk (I mention this in particular because you've written about it) informed the way in which the piece developed, or at least the interface between performer and electronics. Is this a fair assumption? Or is that a bit like asking a pianist if the the Bach fugue that they played last week informed their overall performance practice?
I should probably just sit on my hands and wait to hear the piece before asking any more unformed questions...
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« Reply #5 on: 18:38:32, 26-02-2008 »

Both performers have "fixed" material (in notated or sonic form) about half the time and are improvising freely the other half, and the points at which each performer individually shifts between one and the other are chosen freely and spontaneously during the performance - I was insistent that there should be no "plan" to this but that it really should be spontaneous, so that each performance becomes a process of discovery for the performers

Richard, that's a very exciting idea - I'm looking forward to hearing the piece even more now (actually I already stumbled across an extract on Youtube a while back, which sounded great from what I could hear). I'm curious about the electronic part -- is that partially notated, or is it fixed in terms of the sound-material to be used or the patch being run? Did you develop it to be portable or is it something that's more intended to be performed by yourself?
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« Reply #6 on: 13:21:22, 27-02-2008 »

I'm assuming that work on Blattwerk (I mention this in particular because you've written about it) informed the way in which the piece developed, or at least the interface between performer and electronics. Is this a fair assumption?
Yes. The "seeded improvisation" idea started actually in a tentative kind of way in the fourth part of transmission (and its expansion for ensemble in DARK MATTER), became much more important in Blattwerk and is the overall basis of adrift.
I'm curious about the electronic part -- is that partially notated, or is it fixed in terms of the sound-material to be used or the patch being run? Did you develop it to be portable or is it something that's more intended to be performed by yourself?
The "fixed" element is a soundfile which is based on a recording (by Sarah) of the original piano piece, which is transformed in various ways: by pitch shifting and time compression/expansion (independently, but both increasingly), in timbre (also to an increasing extent as it goes on) and in the order of its constituent segments (becoming more "out of order" and then less so again). The soundfile can be started and paused at will, like the pianist's playing of the score. The improvisational material which I interpolate between fragments of the soundfile (and occasionally simultaneously with it) is mostly based on samples of the same soundfile but also partly on other piano sounds (especially from inside the piano). The "score", additional to the notated piano part, consists of a couple of pages outlining the basic criteria for a performance and describing how these were interpreted in its initial realisations. So yes, it is intended to be portable, and specifies nothing about what hard- or software would be used for the electronic part, one reason being of course that almost every electronic performer's "instrument" is different, and is conceived according to the performer's individual priorities, and in any case changes over time as technological developments take place or become affordable.

The wider issue here is quite interesting I think - how to define what a realisation of a particular composition actually consists of, without specifying how that realisation is to be carried out, so as to leave space for other people and other times. I think it's more interesting when dealing with electronics to emphasise the view of a composition as initiating a process, as opposed to creating an "object" (although there are always elements of both of course).
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« Reply #7 on: 10:36:05, 28-03-2008 »

A postscript to this thread: for those who missed the programme, here's a video recording of adrift (and also the piece by Larry Goves) from the concert from which the broadcast was taken. The sound quality isn't as good as the broadcast, obviously, although anyone who's sufficiently interested in a copy thereof can PM me, and it's hardly possible to identify the performers (clue: I'm the one not wearing a dress). Still.

Advance warning: the next performance will be on 22 June in Martle City.
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« Reply #8 on: 10:43:23, 28-03-2008 »

Advance warning: the next performance will be on 22 June in Martle City.

Any more details?
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« Reply #9 on: 10:46:28, 28-03-2008 »

Advance warning: the next performance will be on 22 June in Martle City.

Any more details?

End of the West Pier?
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richard barrett
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« Reply #10 on: 10:49:07, 28-03-2008 »

Advance warning: the next performance will be on 22 June in Martle City.
Any more details?
All I know so far is that the concert will be in the Pavilion. I'll post more as soon as I have it.
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« Reply #11 on: 10:49:50, 28-03-2008 »

Advance warning:

 Huh Surely 'important heads-up'?
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