mr improv
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« on: 12:42:35, 12-09-2008 » |
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i've just recieved a poster which is impossible to cut and paste
from fmp for their 08 festival]
i see mister richard barrett is performing there
and they are offering two workshops
would anyone have an opinion on the workshop leaders
and an idea of likely content
it is extremely hard to get info out of fmp
any help would be appreciated
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richard barrett
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« Reply #1 on: 12:50:52, 12-09-2008 » |
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Hello Mr I
I don't know either of the people doing the workshops (Ronit Kirchman and Anthony Pateras) so I can't help you there, sorry.
Should be an interesting festival anyway, though I think I'll have to miss the first day.
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autoharp
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« Reply #3 on: 13:27:58, 12-09-2008 » |
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So where is it and when? Any links?
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richard barrett
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« Reply #4 on: 14:27:19, 12-09-2008 » |
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Here's the poster Mr I mentioned:  |
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mr improv
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« Reply #5 on: 19:03:06, 12-09-2008 » |
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t hanks chaps
this guy pateras
he's not in the necks is h e?
only they mentioned the necks
i cant be doing with that tosh
but i think i may well go to this festival
thnks
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richard barrett
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« Reply #6 on: 20:16:19, 12-09-2008 » |
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this guy pateras
he's not in the necks is h e?
only they mentioned the necks
i cant be doing with that tosh
I don't like it much either, but I do like a lot of what Tony Buck does outside that group. Anyway, no, I don't think Pateras is involved with them. Have a look at his myspace page - he seems to do a whole patchwork of different kinds of things in the manner of Zorn or Elliot Sharp. |
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #7 on: 10:42:11, 13-09-2008 » |
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We are warned a) by the meaningless scrawl, b) by the National Socialist overtones in the phrase "Total Music" which is clearly intended to refer back to " Do you want total music? If necessary, do you want a music more total and radical than anything that we can even imagine today?" and c) by the word "improvised" that this is an occasion to be avoided at all costs! It will clearly consist of a great load of Germanic rat-baggery, rather than attend which we would run a mile! "Improvisation" in particular we have always thought to be the last resort of the unscrupulous. "Improvisation" is what those scoundrels who are unable to handle form or create an organic whole turn to! |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #8 on: 10:47:34, 13-09-2008 » |
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rather than attend which we would run a mile! I recommend several thousand in your case. |
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« Reply #9 on: 13:38:42, 13-09-2008 » |
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We are warned a) by the meaningless scrawl If Mr Grew means by 'the meaningless scrawl' those symbols in the top half of the poster, I must counter by saying that I was brought up short by their mysterious beauty the first time I saw them. They look like a message from civilisation on some other planet do not they? Perhaps, I imagine in a fanciful moment, they might be saying: 'We've heard your music, guys, and we dig it up here.' |
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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Baz
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« Reply #10 on: 14:04:01, 13-09-2008 » |
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..."Improvisation" in particular we have always thought to be the last resort of the unscrupulous. "Improvisation" is what those scoundrels who are unable to handle form or create an organic whole turn to!
We are not necessarily in agreement with the Member. As an example of improvisation, we might look to Olivier Messaien. In the first link below, Messaien is clearly seen planning, thinking through the formal and structural details of his handling of the theme, and the planning of his registration. At the end of this process, he announces the title of the improvisation, which then commences... Planning process and announcment...the second link (below) then takes up from the end of the first link (above) and shows Messaien's actual improvisation. ImprovisationNow this does not seem to us to be the ramblings of a person unconcerned with the "creation of an organic whole", and the result is surely a compelling experience? Baz |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #11 on: 14:10:20, 13-09-2008 » |
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Also, out of 23 performers in this festival only four are German.
Also, "improvisation", as member Grew may not have noticed, has been a significant aspect of musical art for many hundreds of years, and one for which such composers as JS Bach and Beethoven were celebrated in their time, the results of which we can assess at a distance in such written-out extemporisations as the former's Chromatic Fantasy and the latter's op.77, neither of which I presume the member would regard as "Germanic rat-baggery".
We suggest that the member confine his comments to that tiny subset of human experience of which he has some knowledge!
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mr improv
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« Reply #12 on: 18:32:51, 16-09-2008 » |
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i dont think improvisation
particularly not european free improvisation
or american experimental music
needs defending by linking it to western classical music
it's way too important to need that kind of fouling association
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Tantris
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« Reply #13 on: 08:17:34, 17-09-2008 » |
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Looks great, and I have pencilled it into my diary. (I have so many FMP recordings from this festival over the years that the least I can do is try to be at one). The presence of Peter Evans is of real interest, both solo and in the group listed - he is definitely someone to watch over the next few years. |
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mr improv
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« Reply #14 on: 16:43:33, 17-09-2008 » |
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yes i'm thinking of at tending the workshop t hat is not the pianist connected with the necks[spit]
and there does seem to be some interesting stuff in amongst the sumwot macho german fare
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