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pim_derks
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« on: 22:45:44, 03-03-2007 »
I know that nothing is really "new" in this world and that everything you hear has been done once or even twice before, but I find it always very funny when I hear a piece from sixty, seventy or even more than a hundred years ago that sounds a bit like the minimal music we know from the last thirty years. I shall give a few examples:

Antonin Dvorak - Second Movement from the First String Quartet (when will the Kronos make a recording of it?)

Erik Satie - Socrate (Philip Glass told us that he admired Jean Cocteau, but didn't he mean Satie?)

Aaron Copland - The City (Oh, here's the thing John Adams got it all from!)

Colin McPhee - Tabuh-Tabuhan (If he would have written it thirty years later and for 14 musicians, would it have become more famous?)

Do you know of any other examples? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1 on: 22:48:09, 03-03-2007 »
Steve Reich himself has cited the first Prelude from Book 1 of Bach's WTC, and the opening of Das Rheingold, as predecessors.
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« Reply #2 on: 23:06:00, 03-03-2007 »
Quote from: Ian Pace on 22:48:09, 03-03-2007
Steve Reich himself has cited the first Prelude from Book 1 of Bach's WTC, and the opening of Das Rheingold, as predecessors.

Yes, those are good examples! I'm also thinking of the opening bars of the last movement from Jacques Ibert's Escales.
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« Reply #3 on: 23:10:42, 03-03-2007 »
Quote from: pim_derks on 22:45:44, 03-03-2007
Colin McPhee - Tabuh-Tabuhan (If he would have written it thirty years later and for 14 musicians, would it have become more famous?)
Um. Isn't this a gamelan-inspired piece?
Doesn't gamelan rather trump nearly everything?
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« Reply #4 on: 23:16:04, 03-03-2007 »
J.S. Bach - canon à 8 BWV 1072.

Can be heard on this very excellent CD.
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« Reply #5 on: 23:18:38, 03-03-2007 »
Quote from: harmonyharmony on 23:10:42, 03-03-2007
Um. Isn't this a gamelan-inspired piece?

Yes and it sounds very "Reichian", although it was written in 1936:

http://www.amazon.com/McPhee-Tabuh-Tabuhan-Symphony-No2-Colin/dp/B0000067U3/ref=sr_1_2/103-0936756-5076625?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1172963395&sr=8-2

Please try the first movement! Cool
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« Reply #6 on: 23:29:36, 03-03-2007 »
Much of Scenes 1 and 4 of Petrushka
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« Reply #7 on: 23:49:36, 03-03-2007 »
Quote from: oliver sudden on 23:16:04, 03-03-2007
J.S. Bach - canon à 8 BWV 1072.

Can be heard on this very excellent CD.





Ah yes, the recording of BWV1072 with the overdubs, eh?
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« Reply #8 on: 15:13:35, 05-03-2007 »
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=7053 ;-)

I was given the earlier issue of this set by a drummer friend. I must get round to listening to it some time.
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« Reply #9 on: 16:13:52, 05-03-2007 »
It depends how far back you go ?
Satie's Socrate ? - Well, Erik had already composed Vexations - which some would classify as early minimal . . .

How about
Alkan - beginning of Ouverture op 39 no 11
Gottschalk - The banjo
Rachmaninov - Paques (2 pianos)
Prokofiev - end of Seven they are seven

But I'm falling into the trap. Early minimal didn't happen much after the early 70s did it ? Adams isn't really a minimalist composer, is he ?
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« Reply #10 on: 16:20:59, 05-03-2007 »
Quote from: autoharp on 16:13:52, 05-03-2007
Prokofiev - end of Seven they are seven

The beginning of the Toccata, Op. 11 by Prokofiev has also a kind of "minimal" style, if you want to hear it.

Certain "minimalistic" bars also occur in the music of Mozart and Haydn.

And those Bach canons sure sound minimalistic! Cool
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