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Although possibly right of centre, I fear our friend Swan Knight would find plenty to fume about. [/quote] I know that's how I come across, and I probably am....yet, for some strange reason, whenever I enter polling booth, I find myself voting Labour. [/quote] Hmm ... some would say the two are far from incompatible.  |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #16 on: 21:26:32, 17-06-2007 » |
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'The Idiot' is the Dostoyevsky I struggled with most....I think my experience is fairly typical. How are you finding it, Don B?
I read it first as a teenager and this is the third reading. It was the first work of high non-British culture I can across and I was impressed that I could read it at all. I think what impressed me then was that it took sex and religion as important and natural parts of life. (In contrast with the mawkishness with which Dickens in particular treats both subjects. I shudder to think how any Victorian novelist would have treated Natasisa Philipovna.) And for everyone in society, whatever their place, the great existential questions (death or life) matter. Both those features apply to his other works, but that was where I first found them. Reading The Devils when I was nineteen I had a major experience of existential despair.  I intend to read Jokes from the House of the Dead soon as part of my campaign to know and love Janacek. |
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #17 on: 21:29:39, 17-06-2007 » |
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Note that none of Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher or Major were privately educated. who is this Callaghan guy? i'd never heard of him before i saw the chart...  what did he do? |
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« Reply #18 on: 21:41:16, 17-06-2007 » |
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who is this Callaghan guy? i'd never heard of him before i saw the chart... what did he do? One of the few men to have held all four offices of state (PM, Chancellor, Home and Foreign Sec) although frankly without much distinction. Labour PM after Wilson's resignation, who held the General Election which lead to the election of La Thatcher and all our woes, following his failure to have a majority in the House of Commons. I was about your age, eruanto, at the time. so I was a bit vague what was going on. I have heard that he was probably HM's favourite, but then he was the last PM older than the Queen, and subsequently the constitution meant Her Majesty had to spend half an hour every week with Grantham's most famous daughter. Even the most hardened republican could have some sympathy. You mean to say a PM less colourful than Sir John Major, KG?? Gosh. |
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
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Note that none of Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher or Major were privately educated. who is this Callaghan guy? i'd never heard of him before i saw the chart... what did he do? 'I 'ad that Tony Crosland in the back of the cab once, also George Brown, Dick Crossman, and Barbara Castle. And then in another cab was Reginald Maudling and Sir Tufton Beamish. And don't forget Reg Prentice. You know what I'd do? String 'em up! It's the only language they understand....' |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #20 on: 22:50:31, 17-06-2007 » |
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who is this Callaghan guy? i'd never heard of him before i saw the chart... what did he do? I was about your age, eruanto, at the time. so I was a bit vague what was going on. I'm 28 (29 coming Tuesday) and I know who Callaghan was. I feel so old now...  |
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"People hate anything well made. It gives them a guilty conscience." John Betjeman
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« Reply #21 on: 10:57:04, 18-06-2007 » |
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I've dipped into Sambrook's volume.....fun, but - as you say - very frivolous. A more interesting book on the politics of this period - focusing on Jeremy Thorpe in particular - is 'Rinkagate' by Simon Freeman and Barrie Penrose: absolutely shocking and enthralling (and strong negative advertising for the Liberal Party, as was).
I was at university when a fellow undergraduate (subsequently music critic to a national newspaper) comes on the landing giggling that some man was claiming he had an affaire with Jeremy Thorpe. I didn't think it was very funny and I don't now. The point is those events are ten to fifteen years later than Sambrook's. Incidentally, Swanknight, I didn't say the book was very frivolous. I said Ian Pace would probably find it frivolous. Maybe you and Ian have more in common than is obvious. The book is funny, but meticulously researched and thorough. |
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« Reply #22 on: 22:21:56, 18-06-2007 » |
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I'm sure there's point in the political biosphere where left and right merge and become one. I'm equally sure that if Mr. Pace and I were ever to meet up, we'd get along famously. I am, after all, a great admirer of his drumming skills and the great records he made with Deep Purple; though why he feels the need to drop the 'i' from his name when he appears on these boards is a mystery.  |
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« Reply #23 on: 22:30:25, 18-06-2007 » |
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SK Hope you can make it on the 29th, then! I'm sure Ian could regale you with some drumming on the ashtrays and Indian beer bottles.  |
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« Reply #24 on: 23:54:36, 18-06-2007 » |
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I said Ian Pace would probably find it frivolous. Maybe you and Ian have more in common than is obvious. The book is funny, but meticulously researched and thorough.
This Ian (unrelated to the Deep Purple drummer) certainly has a frivolous side, and is encouraged to read Sandbrook's books! A book on British cultural history I admire very much, may have mentioned it before: Jon Savage - England's Dreaming: The Sex Pistols and Punk Rock. Nominally simply 'about' the punk movement, but actually about much much else. Savage has a new book out on the growth of the idea of the 'teenager', which also looks very interesting. |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #25 on: 16:32:00, 19-06-2007 » |
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I am, after all, a great admirer of his drumming skills and the great records he made with Deep Purple; though why he feels the need to drop the 'i' from his name when he appears on these boards is a mystery. He lets his band-mate Ian Gill ian borrow it. (Sorry, that's an in-joke (and sore point) for Deep Purple fans.) |
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« Reply #26 on: 11:29:56, 22-06-2007 » |
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Savage has a new book out on the growth of the idea of the 'teenager', which also looks very interesting.
It's called Teenage: The Creation of Youth 1875-1945 and it's next week's Book of the Week on Radio 4.  |
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