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« on: 14:13:57, 13-06-2007 »

Nothing at all to do with music (except for the rather cute DJ!), but for an idea of how far gay rights have to go in one of the Baltic states:

http://uk.gay.com/article/5596
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« Reply #1 on: 15:19:24, 13-06-2007 »

Nothing at all to do with music (except for the rather cute DJ!), but for an idea of how far gay rights have to go in one of the Baltic states:

http://uk.gay.com/article/5596
I'm not arguing for or against gay rights (especially in other countries), but the article seems to answer your concern: Latvians don't want them to go any further at all, and resent foreigners coming over and trying to promote them.
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« Reply #2 on: 15:27:37, 13-06-2007 »

". . . attitudes towards the LGBT community have actually hardened in the past year . . ."

Well that's a start, isn't it . . . indeed a sine qua non one might almost say.
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« Reply #3 on: 15:32:39, 13-06-2007 »

I myself was trying to avoid "as the Bishop said to the actress" style comments, but I daresay they'll come in force.

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« Reply #4 on: 15:43:38, 13-06-2007 »

I'm not arguing for or against gay rights (especially in other countries)

I'm sure all those gay Latvians who feel alienated in their own country will be happy to hear of your indifference. What exactly are the arguments against gay rights?
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« Reply #5 on: 16:15:46, 13-06-2007 »

I'm not arguing for or against gay rights (especially in other countries)

I'm sure all those gay Latvians who feel alienated in their own country will be happy to hear of your indifference. What exactly are the arguments against gay rights?

The poor young man in the photo looks like the Mysterons are on to him!

As for arguments against gay rights:

1. Being gay is not natural and should therefore be rejected. Just like how straight Americans reject such unnatural things as eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

2. Gay marriage will encourage straight people to become gay. Just like marriage between two tall people encourages people to be tall.

3. Legalizing (or at least failing to prohibit) gay marriage will encourage people to do such crazy things as marrying pets. This would be possible since an animal has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

4. Straight marriage has been around for so long that it has become an unchangeable marriage tradition along with the similarly unchangeable marriage traditions of treating women as property, preventing blacks from marrying whites, and keeping divorce illegal.

5. Gay marriage would destroy the sanctity of straight marriage. The sanctity of Britney Spears’ 55-hour marriage to Kevin Federline Jason Alexander must be protected.

6. Straight marriages are allowed because they produce children. This is why gay marriages, marriages with one infertile partner, marriages between old people, and marriages where the couple does not want to produce children are all invalid. It is necessary for all couples to produce their own children because all of the world’s orphanages are empty and there are no children anywhere in need of homes or families.

7. Gay parents will raise only gay children since straight parents raise only straight children.

8. Gay marriage goes against the beliefs of certain religions. Since America is a theocracy, the beliefs of those certain religions should be forced upon those who feel differently.

9. Children cannot succeed with out male and female role models at home. That’s why only morally superior people have children and why single-parent families are also expressly forbidden.

10. Gay marriage will change the foundations of our society so much that we will be unable to adapt to them. This is why we, as a society, as been unable to adapt to the automobile, the culture of consumption, the service-sector economy, or longer average life spans.

(Courtesy of CrazyDrumGuy)
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« Reply #6 on: 16:25:46, 13-06-2007 »

Thanks Kitty, that's all clear now. But is Latvia really part of the USA?
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« Reply #7 on: 16:37:05, 13-06-2007 »

Thanks Kitty, that's all clear now. But is Latvia really part of the USA?
Only someone living beyond the shores of CONUS would ask that question! Wink
The USA is the known world (as far as most of the folks I know are concerned). Everything else is geography. Embarrassed
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« Reply #8 on: 16:40:17, 13-06-2007 »

I'm not arguing for or against gay rights (especially in other countries)

I'm sure all those gay Latvians who feel alienated in their own country will be happy to hear of your indifference. What exactly are the arguments against gay rights?

I reject that as an impertinent demand. It's for those who want rights to explain where they come from and why we should have them.
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« Reply #9 on: 16:43:03, 13-06-2007 »

I reject that as an impertinent demand.
I wouldn't dream of making any demands of you, Teleplasm.
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« Reply #10 on: 16:45:01, 13-06-2007 »

We would not wish to "high-jack" this thread with its admirable sentiment, but we would nevertheless like to draw Members' attention in passing to a similar cause rather closer to Home. It should not be forgotten that not only in the eighteen-nineties (Wilde) but also as recently as the nineteen-fifties and sixties, the British government was still throwing thousands upon thousands of men into prisons for years at a time all over the country as "punishment" for behaviour which is now so hypocritically smiled upon.

We remember the treatment of poor Alan Turing, one of the saviours of the country, of poor Rupert Croft-Cooke, and of countless others. In many cases their entire lives were ruined by the British government.

Now the thing is, these thousands of heroic but ruined men have as yet received neither acknowledgement of nor compensation for their cruel treatment and suffering. We think it would be a jolly good cause to campaign for a large sum of money to be given at once before it is too late to each of these poor men in recognition that the crime and the shame were the government's and not theirs! Perhaps we shall go back to Mr. Time Now's interesting link and try to stir up a campaign ourselves for due recognition of these thousands of forgotten British heroes!

This is why we find "democratic government" quite unsatisfactory. The majority will never understand or tolerate the wishes and attitude to life of the minority. The minority become the victims of the majority, even to-day.
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« Reply #11 on: 16:50:17, 13-06-2007 »

behaviour which is now so hypocritically smiled upon
I don't think Tony Blair actually likes buggery. He just grins and bears it.

(PS. More serious post to follow later.)
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« Reply #12 on: 16:52:49, 13-06-2007 »

Quote from: Sydney Grew
We would not wish to "high-jack" this thread with its admirable sentiment, but we would nevertheless like to draw Members' attention in passing to a similar cause rather closer to Home. It should not be forgotten that not only in the eighteen-nineties (Wilde) but also as recently as the nineteen-fifties and sixties, the British government was still throwing thousands upon thousands of men into prisons for years at a time all over the country as "punishment" for behaviour which is now so hypocritically smiled upon.

Oscar Wilde would still get sent to prison today, and probably for longer. Some of the rent-boys he hired were under age.
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« Reply #13 on: 17:09:26, 13-06-2007 »

behaviour which is now so hypocritically smiled upon
I don't think Tony Blair actually likes buggery. He just grins and bears it.
I'm a bit concerned that my OED says that 'buggery' can equally refer to sodomy or bestiality.... Shocked
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« Reply #14 on: 17:14:35, 13-06-2007 »

behaviour which is now so hypocritically smiled upon
I don't think Tony Blair actually likes buggery. He just grins and bears it.
I'm a bit concerned that my OED says that 'buggery' can equally refer to sodomy or bestiality.... Shocked
Does it mention George Bush? (Yo, Blair!)
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