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time_is_now
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« on: 15:32:47, 02-07-2007 »

Hugues Cuénod registers a civil partnership at 105!

http://www.playbillarts.com/news/article/6704.html
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« Reply #1 on: 18:00:36, 02-07-2007 »

Goodness - good for him! I had no idea he was 105. When Peter Pears died suddenly the day after teaching a St Matthew Passion masterclass, Hugues Cuenod, in his 80s, took over his teaching at the Britten-Pears School. In those civilised days these masterclasses were shown on television, and I remember being incredibly impressed by Cuenod's liveliness and energy. Didn't he also make his debut at the Met when in his 80s, thus beating hollow Pears's mere 64?
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« Reply #2 on: 20:01:46, 02-07-2007 »

Who would have thought "the love that dare not speak its name" would come to this --- civil partnership.  Undecided

Give me that old time homosexuality
It was good enough for our fathers
And it's good enough for me.
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« Reply #3 on: 20:19:42, 02-07-2007 »

Good for him!

I was thinking of him only the other day re. Benvenuto Cellini. He was a brilliantly funny 'Innkeeper' in a Proms performance in about 1972(?) when he must have been about 70 presumably. Brought the house down. Makes me grin just thinking about it. 

He was also a gloriously camp "Linfea, an elderly nymph troubled by erotic thoughts" in Cavalli's La Calisto at around the same time. That's him on the left 



A wonderful and moving Poulenc singer too, up there with Bernac (IMHO).

Happy 105th!!
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« Reply #4 on: 20:35:54, 02-07-2007 »

He gave two full days of masterclasses at the RNCM back in ?1990 (ie he was 88, if my maths is correct) and on the second did an evening class too, most of it standing up and demonstrating, going on way beyond 10pm and still as fresh as when he started. Some of the students looked pretty knackered tho', I seem to recall...
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« Reply #5 on: 21:03:46, 02-07-2007 »

CAUTION: 'nuther KB rant follows because KB believes that Civil Unions are a sop to the religious right Roll Eyes
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I am the boy who never finished high school, because I got called a fag everyday

I am the girl kicked out of her home because I confided in my mother that I am a lesbian.

I am the prostitute working the streets because nobody will hire a transsexual woman.

I am the sister who holds her gay brother tight through the painful, tear-filled nights.

We are the parents who buried our daughter long before her time.

I am the man who died alone in the hospital because they would not let my partner of twenty-seven years into the room.

I am the foster child who wakes up with nightmares of being taken away from the two fathers who are the only loving family I have ever had. I wish they could adopt me.

I am not one of the lucky ones. I killed myself just weeks before graduating high school. It was simply too much to bear.

We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.

I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting the management called on me.

I am the mother who is not allowed to even visit the children I bore, nursed, and raised. The court says I am an unfit mother because I now live with another woman.

I am the domestic-violence survivor who found the support system grow suddenly cold and distant when they found out my abusive partner is also a woman.

I am the domestic-violence survivor who has no support system to turn to because I am male.

I am the father who has never hugged his son because I grew up afraid to show affection to other men.

I am the home-economics teacher who always wanted to teach gym until someone told me that only lesbians do that.

I am the woman who died when the EMTs stopped treating me as soon as they realized I was transsexual.

I am the person who feels guilty because I think I could be a much better person if I didnt have to always deal with society hating me.

I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed their doors to my kind.

I am the person who has to hide what this world needs most, love.

I am the person ashamed to tell my own friends im a lesbian, because they constantly make fun of them.

I am the boy tied to a fence, beaten to a bloody pulp and left to die because two straight men wanted to "teach me a lesson"

We watched "Brokeback Mountain" a couple of weeks ago. Triffic story. Hoping to watch "Boys Don't Cry" sometime.
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« Reply #6 on: 21:42:11, 02-07-2007 »

Anyone here know if a New Zealand Civil Partnership between members of opposite sexes is recognised in the U.K.?
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« Reply #7 on: 21:45:26, 02-07-2007 »

I'm no expert, but I thought civil partnerships (in Britain anyway) were largely a legal thing, to give much needed equal rights of inheritance etc. It doesn't have to be anything to do with religion, any more than marriage does.

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« Reply #8 on: 00:30:57, 03-07-2007 »

As I left England before the new law was enacted, I don't know the details there, but here, a civil union only gives partners some of the rights of a married couple. AFAIK Massachusetts is still the only state in the Union that recognizes same-sex marriages. All animals are equal, but some are (still) more equal than others.
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« Reply #9 on: 02:54:43, 03-07-2007 »

Re #5: Kitty, I would be honored to be any one of those as well. Bigotry has no place today anymore.
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« Reply #10 on: 09:29:48, 03-07-2007 »

I'm not sure, Bryn - I'd be surprised if a same-sex civil partnership registered in another country wasn't recognised at all in the UK, but what is the difference between a marriage and a civil partnership between opposite sexes in New Zealand? If it's to make it a purely legal arrangement then what aspects would the participants want to be recognised abroad?

You're right in a way, Mary, that civil partnerships are chiefly a legal agreement - but to people who still have no rights of actual marriage they obviously take on important emotional aspects too in a large number of cases. Certainly when I attended my best friend's civil partnership ceremony last summer (and went to Mexico for the party last month) it didn't feel like we were only celebrating a legal contract.

Even at the purely legal level, what is true is that different countries' civil partnerships confer different levels of rights (in comparison to 'full' marriage). I'd be interested in the New Zealand situation Bryn mentions, since it sounds as if straight couples have been given the chance there to opt for partnership as an alternative to marriage (whereas in the UK you only have one choice: marriage if you're straight, partnership if you're gay). The issue of recognition in different countries brings some odd problems of its own: for instance, a French couple registered with a PAX (the French equivalent of a civil partnership) and resident in Britain aren't allowed to register a new civil partnership here since their PAX is recognised under British/EU law, but it gives them fewer rights than if they had registered a partnership under the British system instead (which they would also have been entitled to do, as residents).
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« Reply #11 on: 10:05:34, 03-07-2007 »

t-i-n, I didn't mean to imply that civil partnerships are only legal arrangements. I'm sure they have an emotional significance as well. I was really responding to Kitty's idea that they are a "sop to the religious right". I don't think they (or marriage for that matter) need to have any religious significance unless the partners want it.

Apologies, Kitty, if I'm misinterpreting you.

From a legal point of view, a civil partnership would certainly have simplified Benjamin Britten's will!
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« Reply #12 on: 10:24:38, 03-07-2007 »

I know you didn't, Mary! I was just sharing my happiness at my friends' partnership, really - I've never had a friend get married before, and I didn't realise quite how happy I would feel on their behalf until I felt the tears welling up at the ceremony.

I think Kitty was being a little bit ironic, but maybe I'm the one misinterpreting. I don't really mind either way - I can see arguments (from a pro-rights point of view, not a homophobic one!) against civil partnership as well as for it, and I'm not trying to gloss over those issues.
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« Reply #13 on: 13:12:01, 03-07-2007 »

CAUTION: 'nuther KB rant follows because KB believes that Civil Unions are a sop to the religious right Roll Eyes


Well, if they are, nobody told the Bishop of Carlisle, who appears to regard the recent floods as God's punishment for immoral lifestyles:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/01/nflood201.xml

Interesting how evangelicals always seem to come up with the best arguments for Richard Dawkins' contention that the Christian God is one of the most unpleasant characters in fiction ....
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« Reply #14 on: 13:20:48, 03-07-2007 »

Quote from: The Bishop of Carlisle
"In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want," he said, adding that the introduction of recent pro-gay laws highlighted its determination to undermine marriage.

(Ironic emphases added.)

So, if 'the beast' represents institutional control, and the state represents institutionalised freedom, what does that make the church...
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