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« Reply #1 on: 15:49:42, 09-07-2007 » |
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Shocking, and, indeed, quite sad. If he has been convicted, this presumably means that it's been public for some time. Hmm. I miss all the scandal, it seems.
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« Reply #2 on: 15:56:58, 09-07-2007 » |
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Oh dear.  I've been reading some of the comments and replies. There are arguments going forth about whether or not to ostracise his musical output now. I would argue that if we were to do that every time historically a composer committed a criminal act - our musical heritage may be substantially depleted. Also very many other people have contributed their talent and hard work to his recordings. Should they be punished as well? I think not personally but I can see that the repercussions of this may reverberate for some time in the future. |
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« Reply #3 on: 15:59:05, 09-07-2007 » |
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Oh dear. I've been reading some of the comments and replies. There are arguments going forth about whether or not to ostracise his musical output now. I would argue that if we were to do that every time historically a composer committed a criminal act - our musical heritage may be substantially depleted. Also very many other people have contributed their talent and hard work to his recordings. Should they be punished as well? I think not personally but I can see that the repercussions of this may reverberate for some time in the future. I agree Milly, else I'd have to stop listening to Gesualdo... |
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« Reply #4 on: 16:02:01, 09-07-2007 » |
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Gombert rather more directly so.
All the same there was an article in the Guardian which among other things (not all of them in this vein) hoped that someone whose work was so closely connected to early music wouldn't find himself prohibited from working with treble voices. A comment I found well out of order, personally.
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« Reply #5 on: 16:03:02, 09-07-2007 » |
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Gesualdo? What did he do?  Don't tell me. I don't want to know! I was going to google it but decided against it.  |
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« Reply #6 on: 16:06:53, 09-07-2007 » |
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Gesualdo? What did he do? Don't tell me. I don't want to know! I was going to google it but decided against it. Gesualdo wore stockings with holes in them. |
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« Reply #7 on: 16:09:54, 09-07-2007 » |
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« Reply #8 on: 16:10:24, 09-07-2007 » |
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Gesualdo? What did he do? Don't tell me. I don't want to know! I was going to google it but decided against it. Oh. nowt much, only murdered his first wife and her lover...heheheh  |
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« Reply #9 on: 16:12:57, 09-07-2007 » |
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Link to a guardian article: http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,2103942,00.htmlNot sure exactly what I think of it just now, except that I do have some sympathy for Robert King, having a lot of love for his recordings. Should probably temper it a bit. I wonder what the issues will be with him continuing with his work when he gets out. Have there been any other criminal musicians of recent times? Gesualdo? What did he do? Don't tell me. I don't want to know! I was going to google it but decided against it. Oh. nowt much, only murdered his first wife and her lover...heheheh Hah; looking "Gesualdo" up on wikipedia, it asks me if I'm looking for * Carlo Gesualdo (1560–1613), an Italian composer and murderer of the late Renaissance
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« Reply #10 on: 16:13:17, 09-07-2007 » |
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And the baby.  Oh hell I had to google it didn't I? I'll just have to try not to let it put me off in future. Very difficult though. |
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« Reply #11 on: 16:27:08, 09-07-2007 » |
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Not sure exactly what I think of it just now, except that I do have some sympathy for Robert King, having a lot of love for his recordings. Should probably temper it a bit. Because he has produced recordings you like, that somehow implies greater sympathy towards his plight? What about those he abused, who are conveniently shunted out from most discussions of this topic? Maybe their lives are less important than that of a 'great musician'  Artists deserve greater sympathy and understanding than the rest of the population. Total and utter bullshit |
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« Reply #12 on: 16:32:17, 09-07-2007 » |
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Not from me, Ian. Everyone guilty of such an offence, 'great artist' or not, deserves equal sympathy.
As of course do their victims (who, you're quite right, are getting ignored in a lot of the discussions around this topic, although in many other cases of similar crimes the victims are talked about endlessly in a way which I also don't think does them any particular good). But I never have seen, and still don't see, why sympathy for the offender and sympathy for the victim are presumed to be mutually exclusive.
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« Reply #13 on: 16:34:21, 09-07-2007 » |
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Not from me, Ian. Everyone guilty of such an offence, 'great artist' or not, deserves equal sympathy.
As of course do their victims (who, you're quite right, are getting ignored in a lot of the discussions around this topic, although in many other cases of similar crimes the victims are talked about endlessly in a way which I also don't think does them any particular good). But I never have seen, and still don't see, why sympathy for the offender and sympathy for the victim are presumed to be mutually exclusive.
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I am very stuck how King gets a lot of sympathy from commentators and columnists that you never see if he was not an artist or comparable public figure. That's what I detest.
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