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Author Topic: From Margaret Leng Tan, re. Chinese 'clean up' for the Olympics.  (Read 415 times)
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« on: 08:26:34, 27-08-2007 »

Just got this from Margaret Leng Tan. I thought it might interest others here:


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Subject: Petition - China, Olympic Games and destroying animals

Please sign this petition against destroying animals to "clean up" China for
the Olympic games. They are starting to "tidy up" for the Olympic Games, so
any inconvenient animals are disposed of.

Please take a few seconds to sign this petition -
the usual apologies if you have - please pass on, as
the target is huge.

The torture of animals in China is unbelievable.

Stray dogs are being clubbed to death to
clear up the area for the Olympic games. A million signatures are needed so
please pass this along.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/395884823

Please note: it's a quick sign... does not accept any comments... takes a
few seconds.

Thank you,
Margaret Leng Tan.
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« Reply #1 on: 10:22:55, 27-08-2007 »

I'm not at all surprised Sad   I was in China for a while last month, and the entire country is gaga about the Olympics, to a fanatical extent.  They're not open to reasonable discussion, or even to questions  ("so, err, don't you wonder what exactly you're going to get out of the Olympics in this city 1000km from Beijing?") about it.

When in Beijing we drove up to where the "Olympic Park" is going to be. The entire place is a building-site, of course. But what amazed me was the one thing they've finished - it's a mini-version of China, a kind of theme-park, adjacent to the main stadium. It contains homogenised versions of all of China's cultures all existing alongside each other.  There were some quite deprecating cliches illustrating the "lives" of people in Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia Sad
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« Reply #2 on: 13:04:46, 27-08-2007 »

I'm not at all surprised Sad   I was in China for a while last month, and the entire country is gaga about the Olympics, to a fanatical extent.  They're not open to reasonable discussion, or even to questions  ("so, err, don't you wonder what exactly you're going to get out of the Olympics in this city 1000km from Beijing?") about it.
Thank goodness that sort of thing will never happen in this country.
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« Reply #3 on: 13:29:11, 27-08-2007 »

. . . The torture of animals in China is unbelievable. . . .

One does not have to go as far as China! The mass killing and eating of animals (animals that is other than our own species) in England is a continuing obscenity, and we wonder how many of those well-intentioned petitioners will sit down to an animal dinner this evening.

As for the "games" they are really just an excuse for throngs of great vulgar sweaty smelly narcissistic oafs and trollops to lollop around at other people's vast expense, are they not?
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« Reply #5 on: 13:37:43, 27-08-2007 »

As for the "games" they are really just an excuse for throngs of great vulgar sweaty smelly narcissistic oafs and trollops to lollop around at other people's vast expense, are they not?

...And at the expense of their own well-being in years to come of course. Take poor old Florence Griffith-Joyner for instance.

We did survive an Olympics once. In Sydney it was. We were forced by sheer weight of evidence to admit afterwards that various aspects of the city had indeed been much improved (the smooth running of public transportation emphatically not excluded) and the pervading spirit of bonhomie towards our dear visitors was a beautiful thing. We did also welcome the chance to sing in our first Mahler 8th (there meeting the delightful Simon Halsey) and Götterdämmerung, the former at Homebush itself, the latter in the Opera House Concert Hall but we vaguely remember as part of the Olympic Arts Festival. It was of course perhaps an aberration... but we can but wish the good people of Beijing and London the good fortune also to experience such aberrations, unlikely as it may well seem. It seemed unlikely to us too.

Speaking of Sydney, welcome back Mr Grew. You have been missed.
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« Reply #6 on: 14:07:44, 27-08-2007 »

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how many of those well-intentioned petitioners will sit down to an animal dinner this evening

Some aspects of these message-boards have often reminded me of "Feeding Time".  Wink

For myself I've been a veggieburger for about 25 years...  I am a living example of the falsity of claims to health benefits arising.  Trying to explain this utterly selfish faddism to my colleagues in China is, of course, merely so much spilt soy sauce. Although Chinese restaurants outside China have adopted serving "Buddhist" (ie meatfree) dishes as a sop to their pinko clientele of fellow-travellers, even innocuous things on menus in China like "fried tofu" come to the table stuffed with unmentioned pork, "to make them taste nicer".   Having said that, I ought to add that on an individual basis Chinese people are the most caring of hosts, and once they have the measure of the extent of your absurd vegetarian leanings will take infinite care to ensure you get something you'll enjoy.  Buddhists in China (including those in Chinese-occupied Tibet) are not vegetarians in any case, and tuck into barbeque spare ribs with great enthusiasm.  Some Buddhist monks in Lamaseries - but by no means all - avoid meat dishes; this varies from Order to Order, and even then there isn't complete consistency.
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« Reply #7 on: 09:24:04, 28-08-2007 »

I scurry to reassert my vegetarian credentials ahead of posting the link below, which might explain what's happened to the stray dogs in Msg #01...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5371500.stm

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« Reply #8 on: 10:22:47, 30-08-2007 »

I'm all for protecting stray dogs but can't we concentrate on stopping them torturing people first?  Sad

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« Reply #9 on: 11:21:38, 30-08-2007 »

Hi IGF

I entirely agree with you.  What I detect in Beijing (a place I visit yearly for work reasons) is a general attitude that is inclined to poo-poo "whatever the West says".  They've done the volte-face Milosevic achieved in Serbia... to transmute "Communism" into "Nationalism"  (some might argue that Mr Putin, who lives 20 mins down the road from me, is the same kind of one-trick pony).  It suits them, in their internal propoganda with their own people (which is intense and highly organised, viz the blocking of all external news sources on the internet and scandals relating this week, Yahoo shopped a dissenter to the Chinese cops) to portray China as the aggrieved victim of unreasonable foreign interference.  These crosshairs can be brought to bear upon almost any issue, justified or not:
  • demands for WW2 reparations from the Japanese (an ongoing grievance which the current Tokyo govt have stoked)
  • carbon emissions
  • repression, torture, ill-treatment, discrimination etc of religious minorities within what is currently the PRC
  • repression of all political dissent
  • anything to do with Taiwan (Frau Merkel happily signed-up to what Beijing calls the "One China Policy" this week - in fact it is a charter for the PRC to invade and occupy Taiwan with the tacit complicity of other nations.  Bush signed too.)
  • abuse of wildlife
  • what textbooks can be used in Japanese schools
  • how to run the Olympic Games

It's a surprisingly effective blunt instrument. Most Chinese believe implicitly whatever is reported on their tv (a medium to which they are utterly addicted) and will parrot anything they heard there as "the truth".  It's very worrying to find apparently intelligent and educated people repeating utter lies about the Chinese invasion of Tibet, for example. What I find more worrying, however, is the outrageous racism directed at the non-Han races within the PRC's borders.  This is institutionalised at every level of Chinese society. Textbooks about Chinese history have been written in such a way as to show that the Han were always the native people of all regions of the area the PRC now covers, and that other peoples who live there should be grateful to the kind Han who took them in.  Wherever you go, you will find examples in which the locals are portrayed as loveable simpletons who needed Han Chinese assistance to lift them out of their hut-crouching primitivism. For example, I was in Turfan earlier this year - a two-thousand-year-old oasis town in the Taklamakan Desert, traditionally a Uighur community (ie entirely non-Chinese - Uighur language is 65% understable by neighbouring Kazakhs, which tips you the wink on the ethnic allegiances here).  The main industry is agriculture (primarily currants and raisins from Grape Valley) - which all hinges on incredibly ingenious irrigation systems in such unpromising terrain.  They are so proud of these irrigation systems there's a Museum Of Irrigation (there's a Museum of everything in China) to which foreigners are taken, and here you'll see photos from the 1950s and 60s of Mao-Tse-Tung and his Ministers supervising the construction, opening the first sluices, a gift to the poor Uighurs etc etc.  But it's all a lie. The present irrigation system dates from the C18th and was built entirely by Uighurs, who thought it up for themselves.  Mao had sent agronomists from Guangdong and Heilongjiang (who knew about growing rice and corn) because their regions bought in the best crops... without any regard for the fact that the terrain in those areas was paddyfields, and the Taklamakan is one of the most deadly deserts on earth.  They diverted rivers and built canals, but as a result of intensive agriculture the topsoil was blown away into the desert, creating a famine in the regions (for which the people were punished by the People, for their "laziness").  They have now gone back to growing grapes (ie what actually works) and have been able to rebuild much of the C18th irrigation system that was dynamited by the "advisors" from Beijing.  However, at the Museum Of Irrigation they tell you that it was Mao who ordered the upgrading of the C18th irrigation network,  and there are pictures of CPC officials in suits being greeted by caricature Uighurs with dopey expressions on their faces.  The saddest thing is that some young Uighurs are now in a kind of self-hatred, because they really believe that they come from a backward people who couldn't say boo to a goose unless a Chinese Commisar was present to give instructions.

Arising from this, the persecution of minorities in China is easily accomplished... not only do the majority of Han Chinese (who are the largest ethnic group in China by a staggering proportion) approve of it and see nothing wrong in punishing "backward", "lazy", and "subhuman" people...  the Han (who are by no means as naive as CCTV-9 TV makes them appear to be) have even convinced those minorities themselves of the need to stamp-out and kill-off "primitivist" trends which conflict with the needs of the modern Chinese State. 

I managed to find the House-Museum of Wang Luo-Bin - a Han chinese composer who took an interest in Uighur music, and went around the area collecting and notating folksong, gathering instruments, publishing collections of songs etc.  His museum doesn't mention the 18 years he spent in a Chinese Reeducation Camp for doing any of that, although it grudgingly mentions he faced "some difficulties with his work" during the Cultural Revolution.  He was "rehabilitated" later as he became useful to Beijing... a Han Chinese whom the Uighurs respected, and infinitely preferable to promoting any Uighur composers.
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« Reply #10 on: 12:13:40, 07-09-2007 »

More "cleaning-up" in China...

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2938973.ece
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