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Reiner Torheit
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« on: 17:03:50, 15-09-2007 »
A Roman Catholic Cardinal in Koln has used the term "Entartete Kunst" ("Degenerate Art") to deride some aspect of modern art. Although this in itself might be no more than expected, this specific form of words is heavily laden with historical baggage, as it was last used by the Nazi Party to attack cultural output it did not care for...  most notably that produced by Jews.  In the sphere of Classical Music,  Kurt Weill, Arnold Schoenberg, Viktor Ullmann, and Erich Korngold were amongst those officially listed as "degenerate", alongside a smaller number of non-Jewish composers that included Paul Hindemith.  Inclusion in this category automatically made those listed subject to arrest, detention, and punishment (which included capital punishment in many cases).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6996251.stm

Arts organisations in Germany have reacted with understandable alarm to the Cardinal's statement.
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« Reply #1 on: 20:22:28, 15-09-2007 »
I was there in fact, but waiting in a room off the main chamber and didn't hear the words he used. Some of us were there to play some improvisations as he walked round the new building to bless it. He held his blessing whatsit up in front of my contrabass clarinet but I think decided against flinging some holy water at it. Nice rooms, very reverberant - we could improvise with our own echoes which was quite pretty.

What the Beeb article doesn't mention is that he was reported as saying the new abstract window would be better suited to a mosque. Unhelpful.

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„Das Fenster passt nicht in den Dom“, sagte der Kardinal dem Kölner „Express“. „Es passt eher in eine Moschee oder in ein Gebetshaus.“ Meisner störte sich daran, dass das von Künstler Gerhard Richter gestaltete Werk zu abstrakt sei.

„Wenn wir schon ein neues Fenster bekommen, dann soll es auch deutlich unseren Glauben widerspiegeln. Und nicht irgendeinen“, begründete Meisner seine Ablehnung.

http://www.welt.de/politik/article1145710/Dom-Fenster_passt_eher_in_eine_Moschee.html
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« Reply #2 on: 20:35:19, 15-09-2007 »
How have his remarks been interpreted in Koln, Ollie?  An unfortunate blunder, an old man who is out of touch... or something more unpleasant than that? 

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« Reply #3 on: 20:37:40, 15-09-2007 »
Quote from: Reiner Torheit on 20:35:19, 15-09-2007
An unfortunate blunder, an old man who is out of touch...

Exactly. Mach dir keine Sorgen. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: 10:42:24, 16-09-2007 »
this is another worrying thing in an extremely worrying world, where the far right seem to be gaining more support year after year, which makes me wonder if we really learn anything from history?
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« Reply #5 on: 14:07:36, 17-09-2007 »
"Wherever culture is separated from the worship of God, the cult atrophies in ritualism and culture becomes degenerate,"

(http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2784112,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-cul-2090-rdf)

Feel like posting that on the religion is evil thread.  I find that to be the most directly inflammatory comment of what I've seen.
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« Reply #6 on: 15:12:17, 17-09-2007 »
It's certainly fighting stuff, isn't it?  Sad

Now what was it Harry Lime said again about a cuckoo-clock?  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: 21:02:31, 18-09-2007 »
Word on the street has it he may well have been motivated by a desire to distract attention from the museum itself. Which by the way is one of the few new arts buildings I've ever seen where I had the distinct impression no expense whatsoever had been spared. (Except, er, perhaps in the works it contains... many of which appeared to me to present a rather powerful counterargument to his contention. Undecided)

Meisner seems to be generally regarded as a bit of an embarrassment. I wouldn't give him more attention than he's worth.
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« Reply #8 on: 22:23:37, 18-09-2007 »
Quote from: oliver sudden on 21:02:31, 18-09-2007
Meisner seems to be generally regarded as a bit of an embarrassment. I wouldn't give him more attention than he's worth.

I hope he doesn't prove to be a "useful idiot" Sad
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