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Excuse me, not intending to hijack the thread, I didn't attend the concert but just wondering how Jenkins' maths work on that Led Zep gig >20,000 £125 tickets... currently selling on eBay ...for around £1,000, putting the putative "value" of this single concert at a staggering £1bn< 20,000 x 1000 = 20million I suppose he means potentially 1 million people wanted to pay £1000, but that would need 50 concerts  |
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« Reply #2 on: 20:09:38, 30-11-2007 » |
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...and quite possibly 50 Led Zeppelins...
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« Reply #3 on: 23:39:18, 30-11-2007 » |
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I don't like mongering doom, but this is a very bizarre comment, however you look at it: To Curtis Price [Principal of the Royal Academy of Music], orchestral concerts must become like football games, accessible, desirable and different - though only, he adds, if they find good new music to play, "not crap".  |
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Indeed, t_i_n - and just what the heck is it supposed to mean? Ignoring the fatuous invocation of football, the rest of the sentence is pretty ambiguous: 'accessible': I think we all know that what is meant by that is (usually) 'tonal' or 'pop-influenced'; 'desirable' (to whom?); 'different' (to what? everything else??? to the way they are now? And surely part of the existing difficulty with new music programming is that not everyone agrees what is good, and what's 'crap'? I note that no quotation marks are used, so I wonder if Mr. Jenkins is putting words into Mr. Price's mouth...anyway, judging by the tenor of his article it seems as if the recipe for success being put forward is for orchestras to abandon classical music and play arrngements of pop, folk and jazz tunes instead.
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« Reply #5 on: 12:04:02, 01-12-2007 » |
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Regarding Jenkins' article title, These nights of exhilarating live performance are reinventing music, I don't see it. I'm taking nothing away from the Simon Bolivar Orch. as good entertainers, but clearly latin music is not new, it's perfomed elsewhere, a change in the performers' attire and a bit of dancing was appropriate for the music. This will not re-invent music, won't re-invent the proms, but may just add one or two popular music gigs to future proms schedules or add a World Proms to the Electric Proms.
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« Reply #6 on: 13:01:57, 01-12-2007 » |
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Excuse me, not intending to hijack the thread, I didn't attend the concert but just wondering how Jenkins' maths work on that Led Zep gig
Excuse me, too; I was wondering how Jenkins's logic let him conclude that a million applications for a ticket to see a historically-important but now defunct band do what is universally known to be a 'one-off' concert demonstrates that "Music is plainly not dead. It is merely reinventing itself". It seems to me this gig demonstrates nothing more than the apotheosis of the rock marketing model which was always based on touring a few weeks a year on the basis that, unless you were crap, the kids would come and see you when you were in town. Unless I'm mistaken, bands like the VPO sell out home and way for a schedule that only the biggest pop bands could match; and I can't remember the last time I saw an empty seat at the Concertgebouw for its home orchestra. I don't want to pour cold water on the Dudamel phenomenon, but the test comes when it's no longer a novelty. Sorry if I've flagrantly misunderstood Mr Jenkins's message - I'm afraid I have trouble with his turgid style and the fact that he spends much of his time writing about himself - but what I read seems to be a mixture of stating the obvious and drawing ridiculous conclusions from it. Now, was anyone at the concert? I'm happy to believe it was wonderful - just not on SJ's say so. |
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« Reply #7 on: 13:37:46, 01-12-2007 » |
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I don't like mongering doom, but this is a very bizarre comment, however you look at it: To Curtis Price [Principal of the Royal Academy of Music], orchestral concerts must become like football games, accessible, desirable and different - though only, he adds, if they find good new music to play, "not crap". "Bizarre" is putting it mildly; if you need to know the Price, etc. etc... Ye gods! Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #8 on: 14:23:44, 01-12-2007 » |
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I don't like mongering doom, but this is a very bizarre comment, however you look at it: To Curtis Price [Principal of the Royal Academy of Music], orchestral concerts must become like football games, accessible, desirable and different - though only, he adds, if they find good new music to play, "not crap". I see how you might be furrowing your brow over that, tinners - but it depends what context was intended? (Journos like Jenkins bend quotes to suit, remember). He might very well have meant "not crap like the Elton John gig we had to play", for example. And as far as being "desirable" and "different"... surely if concerts cease to be thus, then they die a terrible death?? Talking of which I am off to a desirable concert - some bloke named Powell, apparently... |
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« Reply #9 on: 14:55:36, 01-12-2007 » |
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I don't like mongering doom, but this is a very bizarre comment, however you look at it: To Curtis Price [Principal of the Royal Academy of Music], orchestral concerts must become like football games, accessible, desirable and different - though only, he adds, if they find good new music to play, "not crap". This is a typical piece of journobollocks which can easily be customized to suit many situations. This journoballs really is not good enough and Alan Rusbridger [Editor of the Grauniad] must ensure that published articles become like football games, accessible, desirable and different - though only, I may add, if journalists find good new stuff to write, "not crap".  |
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« Reply #10 on: 20:09:54, 03-12-2007 » |
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Absoultely, MTW!
(There's a hole in my bucket too ... Doo little, doo little. It will heal itself in time.)
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