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Author Topic: The silent epidemic of male suicide  (Read 984 times)
Andy D
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« on: 15:36:41, 04-02-2008 »

I found this story on the BBC News site quite disturbing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7219232.stm

especially "Suicide is the second most common way for a man between the ages of 15 and 34 to die. It is outstripped, only just, by road deaths. About 900 young men take their own lives each year, and they account for about 75% of all suicides in this age group."

Death due to assault hits the headlines but it's way down in comparison with the other two.

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« Reply #1 on: 18:30:24, 12-02-2008 »

Thank you Andy for raising this important, but often ignored topic.

I also see that there is a town in South Wales (Bridgend) which had (I think) over 10 suicides in a very short space of time - possibly due to an internet effect.

The whole mental health/NHS/medical system needs a re-vamp.

I have suffered with mental health issues in the past, and know how hard it is to get help from your GP. Other work colleagues turn away, as if it is catching.

There is a whole stigma about mental health issues which needs to be addressed before we can even think about reducing these figures. There is also the issue why the 'peak' in single, young men, as opposed to other groups (there is a peak in some of the young female Asian communities as well - Southall and Slough have high suicide rates).

A final question (and one I cannot answer). It would appear that there is a very high incidence of depression and anxiety in this country, if you look at the Incapacity Benefit (and even allowing for fraud - the rest of that topic is for a different thread) for example. Yet, during times of crisis, e.g. WWII, we did not hear about depression/mental health issues. You would have thought that with the population under tremendous strain, and thousands of lives lost, that mental health issues would have been worse then, but they were not.
Why?
Discuss.....
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« Reply #2 on: 19:03:12, 12-02-2008 »

Yet, during times of crisis, e.g. WWII, we did not hear about depression/mental health issues. You would have thought that with the population under tremendous strain, and thousands of lives lost, that mental health issues would have been worse then, but they were not.
Why?
Well, according to a book "The War and Mental Health in England", there was a substantial fall-out from the war afterwards: " [...] when the strain is over, a multitude of overworked minds break down".  The psychological effects of wars on soldiers themselves have been long-documented, whether as "shell-shock" or "post-traumatic stress disorder".

Checking out an abstract for a paper called "Civilian Morale During the Second World War" (that I don't have access to at the moment):

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Official histories concluded that the mental health of the nation may have improved, while panic was a rare phenomenon. Revisionist historians argued that psychiatric casualties were significantly higher than these accounts suggested because cases went unreported, while others were treated as organic disorders.

Oh wait, I do have access.  The following strikes a chord:

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Resilience was encouraged by active participation once bombing intensified. [...] This stands in contrast to today when most of the population, despite being identified by the media and politicians as the focus of terrorism,
remain uninvolved and uncommitted to any role other than that of putative target.

Though there were some cases of mass-hysteria, such as in Coventry in 1940, where was found

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an unprecedented dislocation and depression… There were more open signs of hysteria, terror, neurosis observed in one evening than during the whole past two months together in all areas. Women were seen to cry, scream, to tremble all over, to faint in the street, to attack firemen. The overwhelming dominant feeling on Friday was the feeling of utter helplessness.

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This was, the article says, possibly due to the more-concentrated nature of the city, that there was much more visable damage.

The psychiatric reports show no large increase in the volume of their cases during the war (in stark contrast to what was reported in NY after the wassit w/ the trade towers).  Which contradicts the book I quoted first.  So.  Ho-humm.

Couldn't find any definite pre-post-mid-WW2 suicide figures though (outside of Japan), after a quick look around the internet, alas.
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« Reply #3 on: 19:23:16, 12-02-2008 »

Interesting reply increpatio.

I can fully understand women breaking down in Coventry if their house had just been bombed - but did not men cry too, or did we have to hold our stiff upper lip.

The immediate 'breakdown' and fall out is understandable, but what I was referring to was the mental incapacity which lasts for years afterwards, and requires continuous help. reading between the lines of whet you quoted, it seems as if they women cried for a few days, then went back to work.

PTSD wasn't really known or discovered until just before the Vietnam War (I think), so doctors would not have been aware of it during WWII. However, general psychological issues were know about from about the time of WWI, and a little before.
What I was really trying to find out about though is the mass, long term disabling affects in the general population (not soldiers, and airmen/seamen) after WWII due to the effects of WWII. I have not seen any documentated evidence to say that that was the case.
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« Reply #4 on: 12:34:46, 13-02-2008 »

Modern depression is mainly caused by a lack of serotonin which comes from sunlight, people are not going out enough.

This sounds simplistic but is the end product of a lot of research.

http://www.ramblers.org.uk/

is indeed the answer !

Porridge may also help... http://www.flahavans.com/home/facts.htm


mmmm, "With this in mind, it is worth mentioning another two statistics: men make up 73% of people who go missing each year, and 85% of people who sleep rough. " ... interesting to note that colin wilson slept rough
in a waterproof sleeping bag during the summer, worked in the british library during the day and worked in a coffee shop on an evening.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dreaming-Some-Purpose-Autobiography-Wilson/dp/1844131882

the book opens with the line 'when i was 16, i decided to kill myself'

Fortunately for us, he did not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Wilson





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« Reply #5 on: 13:14:53, 13-02-2008 »

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Colin Wilson is the bete-noir of the Oxbridge literary establishment. He never went to university, let alone Oxbridge, yet wrote "The Outsider", a brilliant account of the pain of being alive today, when he was just twenty-four. [...] In his autobiography he tells stories about, among others, Aldous Huxley, Angus Wilson, John Osborne, Kingsley Amis, Kenneth Tynan, Francis Bacon and Norman Mailer - all observed with a true outsider's eye for absurdity.
Because they all went to Oxbridge, did they? Huh
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« Reply #6 on: 13:15:46, 13-02-2008 »

Shell shock and combat fatigue were (to some extent at least) the labels used (in WWI and II respectively) for what would now be called PTSD I believe.
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« Reply #7 on: 13:19:11, 13-02-2008 »

I am sure I heard on radio 3 that after WW1 they realised that they could reduce problems by 'resting' troops from the front line.  r&r and all that jazz

http://ichiban1.org/html/rnr.htm
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« Reply #8 on: 13:25:04, 13-02-2008 »

I am sure I heard on radio 3 that after WW1 they realised that they could reduce problems by 'resting' troops from the front line. 
They could of course have reduced those problems still further by not sending thousands of young men to what they knew was almost certain death, I can't help thinking.
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« Reply #9 on: 13:37:09, 13-02-2008 »

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« Reply #10 on: 13:47:29, 13-02-2008 »

What's your problem, Byron? (apart from being a <expletive deleted at the request of the moderators> that is)
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« Reply #11 on: 13:48:59, 13-02-2008 »

That graph does present a disturbing picture. What is happening to these young men that makes them so desperate?
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« Reply #12 on: 13:54:00, 13-02-2008 »

An interesting question
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« Reply #13 on: 13:59:28, 13-02-2008 »

What's your problem, Byron? (apart from being a right w*nker that is)

I have mental health issues
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« Reply #14 on: 14:06:40, 13-02-2008 »

What's your problem, Byron? (apart from being a right w*nker that is)

I have mental health issues
Is that supposed to explain the fact that until just now your signature was a link to a site advocating eugenics?
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