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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #30 on: 00:58:59, 22-02-2008 »

Reiner, may I go off on a tangent for a moment and ask if your knowledge of  today's Moscow does not induce in you deep misgivings concerning the present direction of Russian foreign policy?
 Is it not the aim of the Kremlin to impose a Slavic hegemony over all its old satellite states with the power of its new weapon oil / gas and by encouragement  of racist supremacist groups ,both home and away, similar to the one that almost agained power in Serbia a couple of weeks ago?  I believe I am right in saying that in the past,on other message boards, you have taken some flack for supporting the rights of the Palestinians,how about the rights of Russia's  neighbours? US aggressive, illegal foreign policy in the Middle East and other areas will seem benign if  today's Russia emulates, as seems possible, the actions of a certain country in the 1930s Perhaps I grossly misread the political direction and intentions of Moscow, what is the view from "a few streets away" from the Kremlin? 

Hello Ted!

I can easily see how one might pick up those views from the English-language media - most especially from the BBC News website, which is running a sequence of anti-Putin pieces at the moment

for example, this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1112_putin_project/


Your well-formed questioning would really need a small book in reply, to cover all the points.  Instead I will say basically "no, I disagree with that position", and I will illustrate my answer with an example whose principles hold true in general in many other cases too.

In the past two weeks, Russia was once again (falsely, IMO) accused of using oil and gas as a "weapon" to control its neighbours, notably Ukraine.  Ukraine had built-up debts of over US$1.5Bn for gas it had used but not paid for.  This is, I would say, a large sum of money - especially since the winter is only half-way through in Russia and Ukraine, and a good deal more gas will be consumed before the thaw comes in April.  Russia sought - by credit-control methods which don't differ from any other large utility provider - to secure the financial position of this debt, and have it paid.   This was reported (by the BBC, and by the Murdorch-owned press, and not only) as "unfair pressure".  Clearly, according to Rupert Murdoch or the BBC, Russia was supposed to supply gas for free to Ukraine (which is already getting a 25% discount on all its bills anyhow).  The Ukrainian side refused to discuss the matter or attend any talks proposed by the Russians - finally leaving the matter until a 24-hour notice period was issued by the Russians.  The Ukrainians began reporting this as "Russian pressure", when in fact they'd "ignored all their red gas bills until the day the gas-man came to cut it off".   Finally, at the eleventh hour, a payment was negotiated (structured over a period of time to help the Ukrainians pay the bills they'd run up).

There then came further news.  Ukraine had decided to join a consortium of nations (including Poland and the Czech Republic) which will host American missiles pointed at Russia.  (The Americans claim the missiles aren't pointed at Russia,  but at, errr, Iran?  So it's odd that they surround Russia and are nowhere near Iran,  whilst America's ally Turkey is adjacent to Iran??).   Understandably the Kremlin was more than miffed to discover the Ukrainians wished to host these missiles, and frankly - since they point at my home - I rather agree with them.  The Ukrainian Ambassador was summoned in Moscow, and told in words of very few syllables what the Kremlin's view was about being made the target for such missiles.  (Let us remember that our dear Mr Blair, who alleged - on the basis of no evidence whatsoever - that Britain was a target of missiles in Iraq that could be launched "within 45 minutes" considered this a basis for the peremptory aerial bombardment, invasion and occupation of Iraq...  Mr Putin's response to a similar situation with Ukraine could be said to be rather more measured, one could say?).  Twenty-four rather tense hours later,  Kiev confirmed that they would not host ANY American missiles.

Although this may all seem to be off-topic, in point of fact there is an underlying point of relevance...  America's military threats towards other nations,  of which Russia is one and Cuba is another. 

How this scenario may yet play out remains to be seen.  The Russian position is that whilst it doesn't wish to re-arm, if confronted with strategic missile bases on its frontiers built and operated by an America which is increasingly hostile,  then it will take steps to protect its borders.   I believe the majority of Russian citizens support the Govt on this issue.   So do I.

I greatly fear what may happen if a military martinette like McCain becomes President of Russia - a man who thinks that all-out nuclear strikes against other countries are suitable topics for jokes. 
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« Reply #31 on: 07:47:48, 22-02-2008 »

I greatly fear what may happen if a military martinette like McCain becomes President of Russia - a man who thinks that all-out nuclear strikes against other countries are suitable topics for jokes. 
I don't think that the ironic implications of this were intended by you and, of course, I know what you meant, but no matter; this is a most interesting post "from the inside", so to speak and, whilst there are, of course, other issues with which to concern ourselves in regard to Cuba's post-Fidel future besides that of American sabre-rattling, there can be no doubt that US has a nefarious history of such threats and of ploys both overt and devious to secure military positions in other countries where it has no right to be; this attitude of "I don't like you so I'll plant the means of firing at you in your next door neighbour's house" is one that regrettably demonstrates, among other things, that one of the most vital lessons emerging from the aftermath of the two world wars has yet to be learnt, especially by US.
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« Reply #32 on: 10:18:40, 22-02-2008 »

I don't think that the ironic implications of this were intended by you and, of course, I know what you meant, but no matter;

In point of fact I was quite serious... there are demagogues within the Russian military who are the exact equals of McCain.  If - as everyone now expects - Medvedev is elected President on March 2nd, then Russia will have backed away from having "military" leaders, and I would rate this as good progress.  The danger would be if the "siloviki" (the "top brass" who have controlled leaders like Yeltsin like a puppet) manage to keep their hand on power.  Medvedev is a lawyer, with a reputation as a reformer - he believes in "rule of law" instead of "rule of might".  Let's hope this is put into practice.
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« Reply #33 on: 10:25:29, 22-02-2008 »

I don't think that the ironic implications of this were intended by you and, of course, I know what you meant, but no matter;

In point of fact I was quite serious... there are demagogues within the Russian military who are the exact equals of McCain.  If - as everyone now expects - Medvedev is elected President on March 2nd, then Russia will have backed away from having "military" leaders, and I would rate this as good progress.  The danger would be if the "siloviki" (the "top brass" who have controlled leaders like Yeltsin like a puppet) manage to keep their hand on power.  Medvedev is a lawyer, with a reputation as a reformer - he believes in "rule of law" instead of "rule of might".  Let's hope this is put into practice.
Sorry - I misunderstood your meaning here; I get it now - you were talking parallel examples and I hadn't appreciated that.
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« Reply #34 on: 11:49:25, 22-02-2008 »

The "Albanian Kosvars" aren't the indigenous population. There was a tiny minority of Albanians living in the region.  The rest of them are illegal immigrants who crossed through the mountains (it was easy to do - the mountains were impossible to patrol) who had fled Hoxha's Albania, for what was the "softest" of the E Bloc countries, Yugoslavia, next door. 

Reiner, I don't wish to be rude + nor do I wish to get involved in a pointless argument. But your knowledge of the history of the region is faulty to say the least. The idea that there was "a tiny minority of Albanians living in the region" (before when?) is laughable.

Southern Slavs populated the area at the beginning of the 12th century and from that time onwards never comprised more than 20% of the Kosova population. During the era of the Ottoman empire, it was governed as one of four Albanian vilayets: a decision at the 1913 London Conference led to it being left outside the borders of present-day Albania. Censuses both before + after WW2 were manipulated to show Albanians as smaller in number, such as not registering them or forcing them to declare themselves as Muslims or Turks. And so on. The history is pretty clear. Please check on it! What you have suggested is just a bit of old Serb propaganda.
Whilst I submit that your knowledge of this issue is vastly more extensive than mine, it occurs to me that, whatever may be the rights, wrongs or ramifications of Kosovan secession (which is not in any case the first such ex-Yugoslav example), neither you nor anyone else who has discussed it here appears yet to have addressed the EC factor in the sense that it is surely only a matter of time before Slovenia is no longer alone among ex-Yugolav states as an EC member; given also that Albania itself has announced its desire to join EC, Turkey's wish to do the same has been noisily advertised for years and Ukraine and Moldova may eventually also follow suit, I cannot help but wonder whether at least some of the current passionate arguments for and against such secession may eventually dissolve into a kind of historical irrelevance as the remainder of European nations gradually become absorbed into the ever-expanding EC agglomeration.
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« Reply #35 on: 13:24:36, 22-02-2008 »

to have addressed the EC factor in the sense that it is surely only a matter of time before Slovenia is no longer alone among ex-Yugolav states as an EC member; given also that Albania itself has announced its desire to join EC, Turkey's wish to do the same has been noisily advertised for years and Ukraine and Moldova may eventually also follow suit, I cannot help but wonder whether at least some of the current passionate arguments for and against such secession may eventually dissolve into a kind of historical irrelevance as the remainder of European nations gradually become absorbed into the ever-expanding EC agglomeration.

The EU (rather than the EC) proffered Serbia a poisoned chalice - "shut up about Kosova and we'll fast-track your membership".  This ill-considered deal had an opposite-to-expected result, as it nearly ended up by causing Serbs to elect an ultra-nationalist President in the first round of the recent elections.  By good fortune rather than intention, the Serbian constitution requires 50% of the votes cast to go to the President,  and since that number wasn't quite reached it went to a second round...  in which the moderate pro-EU Tadic carried the day.  However, Serbs were greatly unimpressed with this attempt to buy them off,  and I'm not sure there is great enthusiasm for EU (or EC) membership there currently.

Ukraine is quite different, but their EU ambitions might be, ehem, a little naive...   I was in Kiev a couple of years ago, on the eve of the Eurovision Song Contest there.  I was meeting up with my friend Boris (the real-life incarnation of "Sir Walter Boot-Legge", whom some here may know) and we'd agree to meet at the new Independence Monument at the head of the main street.  Meantime the entire street had been closed for a street-party to celebrate the opening of the Eurovision events, and we ended-up in the crowd - which was addressed by Ukrainian President Yuschenko.  "Everyone knows," he began, "that hosting the Eurovision Song Contest is tantamount to provisional EU Membership, and if we do this well and send all our foreign guests home happy, we will be gathering here next year to celebrate our full membership!".  Shocked  Shocked

Meantime, other ex-USSR States have already joined-up, such as Estonia.  However, no-one mentioned to them that one of the contingent circumstances of membership was the twice-daily arrival of cheapo flights from Britain, stacked with lads on the lash and other stag-night party groups.  The behaviour of some of these groups is so bad that Estonia's been asking if they couldn't in some way be controlled...  but once you are "in", you are obliged to accept EU nationals without having any control over this...
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