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« on: 16:17:05, 30-03-2008 »

Yesterday, in a rather cynical mood, I posted a link to the BBC's coverage of the Zimbabwe elections on the 'Humerus News Item' thread (I know that I should know better but...).
And then I read this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7321346.stm
No idea how this is going to end but I'm worried it'll be as bad if not worse than Kenya.
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« Reply #1 on: 11:36:09, 31-03-2008 »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7321938.stm

The story rolls on. Whoever wins there could well be rioting. I can't see Mugabe and his supporters going without a fight and if the opposition don't win they will be convinced that there has been vote rigging even if there isn't (and who can blame them given Mugabe's past form?).
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« Reply #2 on: 11:52:46, 31-03-2008 »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7321938.stm

The story rolls on. Whoever wins there could well be rioting. I can't see Mugabe and his supporters going without a fight and if the opposition don't win they will be convinced that there has been vote rigging even if there isn't (and who can blame them given Mugabe's past form?).
If Mugabe's supporters have involved themselves in extensive vote rigging (which seems almost certain) and the outcome is nevertheless in the opposition's favour, I certainly can't see the former going without a fight - or even at all, if it comes to that, as I suspect that, in such circumstances, a military coup on their part seems rather more inevitable than merely possible. That said, it would be an almost impossible task for the opposition to pull the country back to anything like normality, given the sheer thoroughness and consistency with which Mugabe and his henchmen have wrought havoc in Zimbabwe; there's something to be said, one may suppose, for making such a mess of things that no one else can ever put it right (maybe there's a lesson here for UK...)
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« Reply #3 on: 12:00:12, 31-03-2008 »

(maybe there's a lesson here for UK...)

Um. 'Maybe'?
Which lesson were you thinking of?
The UK seems to be adept at failing to take any of these lessons on board. We've messed up just about every country we've ever colonised and then can't understand why they won't listen to us when we say 'democracy ur doin it wrong'.
In many ways, we made 'such a mess of things that no-one else can ever put it right' in Zimbabwe and Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan and...

Oh. I think I see what you meant now.
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« Reply #4 on: 15:23:53, 31-03-2008 »

That said, it would be an almost impossible task for the opposition to pull the country back to anything like normality, given the sheer thoroughness and consistency with which Mugabe and his henchmen have wrought havoc in Zimbabwe; there's something to be said, one may suppose, for making such a mess of things that no one else can ever put it right (maybe there's a lesson here for UK...)

Well quite. But even given the normal dehistoricisation of reporting these days (see Kenya), I've been surprised at the extent to which the UK media have been treating Zimbabwe's problems as something completely down to 'evil' Mugabe and his 'henchmen', as if our interference in the country was a distant-past issue. When the New Labour government came to power it quickly removed itself from any remaning obligation to 'put right' Zimbabwe and assist in the massively delayed land reform process (at this point, whites represented about 1% of the population and still owned 70% of the land). In a letter to Zimbabwe's agriculture minister, Clare Short stated that she "should make it clear that we do not accept that Britain has a special responsibility to meet the costs of land purchase in Zimbabwe. We are a new Government from diverse backgrounds without links to former colonial interests. My own origins are Irish and as you know we were colonised not colonisers."

The amounts of money necessary to facilitate the redistribution were back-of-the-sofa sized, so Short allowed herself to be a little less frank in saying that "[ i]f we look to the present, a number of specific issues are unresolved, including the way in which land would be acquired and compensation paid - clearly it would not help the poor of Zimbabwe if it was done in a way which undermined investor confidence." Mugabe was unwilling to sell off the country (a reason he still enjoys a certain amount of popular support, despite his abuses) and Zimbabweans have been made to pay for it since, probably now with a civil war. We should be so proud.
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« Reply #5 on: 15:39:44, 31-03-2008 »

That said, it would be an almost impossible task for the opposition to pull the country back to anything like normality, given the sheer thoroughness and consistency with which Mugabe and his henchmen have wrought havoc in Zimbabwe; there's something to be said, one may suppose, for making such a mess of things that no one else can ever put it right (maybe there's a lesson here for UK...)

Well quite. But even given the normal dehistoricisation of reporting these days (see Kenya), I've been surprised at the extent to which the UK media have been treating Zimbabwe's problems as something completely down to 'evil' Mugabe and his 'henchmen', as if our interference in the country was a distant-past issue. When the New Labour government came to power it quickly removed itself from any remaning obligation to 'put right' Zimbabwe and assist in the massively delayed land reform process (at this point, whites represented about 1% of the population and still owned 70% of the land). In a letter to Zimbabwe's agriculture minister, Clare Short stated that she "should make it clear that we do not accept that Britain has a special responsibility to meet the costs of land purchase in Zimbabwe. We are a new Government from diverse backgrounds without links to former colonial interests. My own origins are Irish and as you know we were colonised not colonisers."

The amounts of money necessary to facilitate the redistribution were back-of-the-sofa sized, so Short allowed herself to be a little less frank in saying that "[ i]f we look to the present, a number of specific issues are unresolved, including the way in which land would be acquired and compensation paid - clearly it would not help the poor of Zimbabwe if it was done in a way which undermined investor confidence." Mugabe was unwilling to sell off the country (a reason he still enjoys a certain amount of popular support, despite his abuses) and Zimbabweans have been made to pay for it since, probably now with a civil war. We should be so proud.
I'm not for one moment suggesting that UK has its hands clean here. What has happened since Mugabe took over is, however, another set of issues again.

For the record, what I meant about a lesson for UK was perhaps less clearly expressed than it might have been had I instead referred to a parallel (albeit on a vastly different scale); if any one government messes a country up sufficiently, no opposition party that might eventually succeed it will stand much of a chance of putting it right afterwards. Let's see where we find ourselves after Gordon Brown loses a General Election following five full terms in office...
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