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Author Topic: The End of the World  (Read 359 times)
Sydney Grew
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« on: 09:43:00, 02-04-2008 »


According to James Lovelock the independent futurist and father of the Gaia theory, by 2040 - well within the life-span of many Members - the world population of more than six billion will have been culled by floods, drought and famine. The people of Southern Europe, as well as South-East Asia, will be fighting their way into countries such as Canada, Australia and Britain. He says that "By 2040, parts of the Sahara desert will have moved into middle Europe. We are talking about Paris - and indeed as far north as Berlin. In Britain we will escape because of our Oceanic Position." Lovelock believes it is too late to repair the damage. "If you take the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change predictions, then by 2040 every summer in Europe will be as hot as it was in 2003 - between 110F and 120F. It is not the death of people that is the main problem, it is the fact that the plants can't grow - there will be almost no food grown in Europe. We are about to take an evolutionary step and my hope is that the species will emerge stronger. It would be hubris to think human beings as they are now are God's chosen race."

Writing in the Independent in January 2006, Lovelock argued that, as a result of global warming, by the end of the twenty-first century "billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable." He has been quoted also in the Guardian, saying that eighty per centum of human life will perish by 2100 A.D., and this climate change will last 100,000 years.

He further predicts that the average temperature in temperate regions will increase by as much as 8°C and by up to 5°C in the tropics, leaving much of the world's land uninhabitable and unsuitable for farming, with northerly migrations and new cities created in the Arctic. As we have already seen he anticipates that much of Europe will become uninhabitable, having turned to desert, and that Britain will become Europe's "life-raft" due to its stable temperature from being surrounded by the ocean. He suggests that "we have to keep in mind the awesome pace of change and realise how little time is left to act, and then each community and nation must find the best use of the resources they have to sustain civilisation for as long as they can."

This indicates we think that most of the power stations should be turned off to-morrow, and that all private motoring should at once be outlawed. What do Members think? Do they not at bottom know that the estimable Lovelock is right?
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« Reply #1 on: 14:03:24, 02-04-2008 »

Sid, Thanks for an informative post. May I reccommend

www.loe.org

for some shafts of optimism and unbiased reportage?

imho Lovelock is capitalising on his readerships' fatalism to some extent, but he's certainly intellectually rigorous. A voice I would like to hear raised again is that of Lyall Watson, of Supernature fame back in the 70s - journalese but thoroughgoing with it. He seems to me more syntectic, ie with natures' rythmns in a practical sense,including the local expertise of ancient tribal wisdom, but I'm no expert.
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« Reply #2 on: 14:37:48, 02-04-2008 »

What do Members think? Do they not at bottom know that the estimable Lovelock is right?

I haven't entirely wasted my time planning a retirement in the Altai Mountains of Siberia Wink
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« Reply #3 on: 14:57:51, 02-04-2008 »

I wasn't really paying attention, but I think I read in the Nat. Geo. a few days ago that the probability of the arctic icecap becoming at least a seasonal phenomenon is now almost certain. I do wonder that we haven't done more to investigate the possibility of living within the Earth's crust - there seems to be plenty of potential there, away from harmful solar radiation, closer to geothermal energy.
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« Reply #4 on: 17:08:05, 02-04-2008 »

What do Members think? Do they not at bottom know that the estimable Lovelock is right?

I think we very urgently need to find out more but I'm not sure that 'knowing at bottom' is an entirely adequate methodology for doing this.
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« Reply #5 on: 17:21:24, 02-04-2008 »

What do Members think? Do they not at bottom know that the estimable Lovelock is right?
I think we very urgently need to find out more but I'm not sure that 'knowing at bottom' is an entirely adequate methodology for doing this.
Indeed so. Lovelock's vision seems plausible in a knowing-at-bottom kind of way, but I don't believe that the hundreds if not thousands of other scientists spending their lives studying these issues have come up with any models of climate change that see his predictions as anything but a wildly improbable extreme case. It's clear though that short-term greed in high places is not just exacerbating the problem but also preventing the large-scale concerted action that might eventually be necessary.
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« Reply #6 on: 01:01:01, 03-04-2008 »

It's clear though that short-term greed in high places is not just exacerbating the problem but also preventing the large-scale concerted action that might eventually be necessary.
That and a combination of laziness/feelings of helplessness, yes.

Although it's not entirely clear to me that hoping to 'save the world for ever' would be a rational aim. Things do change. I'm not advocating mass genocide/suicide but I think an acceptance that the human race may not be designed to last forever would not be a bad thing.
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« Reply #7 on: 01:08:43, 03-04-2008 »

I think an acceptance that the human race may not be designed to last forever would not be a bad thing.

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« Reply #8 on: 07:06:47, 03-04-2008 »

the large-scale concerted action that might eventually be necessary.

As usual, the rest of mankind sits back and waits for the musicians to organise the large-scale concerts needed to solve the problem.

But I want to know who's going to be in those large-scale concerts anyway?   I bet it will be that bloody Lesley Garrett again Sad
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« Reply #9 on: 07:26:13, 03-04-2008 »

But at least we will know when the End Of Days is nigh,  as the BBC Radio iPlayer will be marked "Don't bother trying to LISTEN AGAIN (for those in areas of low-lying elevation)".

Meantime a group of Russian mystics, led by a pseudo-priest who was a Traffic Warden until he received enlightenment, have been blockading themselves in a cave until May 1st 2008, when the End Of The World Shall Be Nigh.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7323895.stm
Strangely Father Kuznetsov didn't find it necessary to join his flock in the cave where he'd told them all to batten the hatches?  Cult members have been emerging from the cave as its roof began to collapse on them - apparently it was the most dangerous place for hundreds of miles around to have hidden.

But what, we wonder, is in store on June 30th...  the 100th Anniversary of the "Tunguska Event"?  Can this truly have been the cataclysmic happening predicted so sagely by Mr Grew, which triggered the collapse of conventional tonality on earth by extra-terrestrial forces?   A mercantile population of Nintendo-playing credit-enslaved bank-indentured automatons marches blindly towards this anniversary with witless unknowing...

It's rather like the forecast end of the messageboards on TOP, which came and went with nary a flicker on the Richter Wink
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« Reply #10 on: 01:36:29, 12-04-2008 »

I don't do believe it ! Sad
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« Reply #11 on: 01:40:55, 12-04-2008 »

http://www.amazon.com/Lovelock-Mayflower-Trilogy-Orson-Scott/dp/031287751X

How will the overly intelligent monkey break its mental chains?

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« Reply #12 on: 02:48:31, 12-04-2008 »

How will the overly intelligent monkey break its mental chains? er... NB
Perhaps by self delusion ? ...  Sad
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