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perfect wagnerite
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« on: 07:35:42, 06-04-2008 »

http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2271362,00.html

I despair.

The one interesting comparison of it all:

Venezuela spends $25m per year on Il Sistema, to give instruments and musical training to poor children, with obvious results.
The UK Government spends £80m per year subsidising CCF activities in public schools.

Values, anyone?



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« Reply #1 on: 09:12:52, 06-04-2008 »


Venezuela spends $25m per year on Il Sistema, to give instruments and musical training to poor children, with obvious results.
The UK Government spends £80m per year subsidising CCF activities in public schools.


I think "Jilted John" had it right Sad   Although this particular moron is neither "cool" nor "trendy" - he's just a fat useless w*nker.
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« Reply #2 on: 22:15:56, 06-04-2008 »

What's CCF then?

(I'll know by the time anyone gets round to answering but for some reason I felt like fessing up to my ignorance.)
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« Reply #3 on: 22:17:04, 06-04-2008 »

Oh Gawd I should have kept it that way.
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« Reply #4 on: 22:22:54, 06-04-2008 »

CCF = Combined Cadet Corps.  I must say it was far less awful than compulsory rugby.  I was given the choice of the Navy, the Army or the Air Force, and chose to join the Air Force because the uniform was less awful.  We spent a whole day at the local air field, and I spent half an hour up in the air in a Chipmunk.   The first time I had ever flown.

Sk, bless him, is not really a conservative or he would mindlessly cheer young boys having their characters built.

In my father's day he told me the CCF was the Officer Training Corps, which tells you something about the British class system.
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« Reply #5 on: 22:37:27, 06-04-2008 »

http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2271362,00.html

I despair.

The one interesting comparison of it all:

Venezuela spends $25m per year on Il Sistema, to give instruments and musical training to poor children, with obvious results.
The UK Government spends £80m per year subsidising CCF activities in public schools.

Values, anyone?
What you write here surely says it all; one has only to contemplate the results of these two procedures to realise the value of what you write.

I observed recently that the principal UK teaching union's stance against undue military involvement in UK state education was to be applauded not only in it basic principle but in the fact that it was patently not seeking to act against the interests of the military industry per se but to address the needs of general education by pointing out that military propagandism forms no acceptable part thereof. Remembering ENSA and the like (not personally - I ain't that old!), perhaps some bright spark ought to organise a tour of British military establisments by an ensemble that's one of the major successes of Il Sistema. I've not forgotten about the delinquent who was encouraged to put down his firearm and take up a clarinet instead (about which circumstance some clever-clogs observed that the kid who did this should have been told that if he worked hard enough at it he could "knock 'em dead" equally successfully with that instrument)...
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« Reply #6 on: 22:53:51, 06-04-2008 »

Lennar Acosta, now a clarinettist in the Caracas Youth Orchestra and a tutor at the Simón Bolívar Conservatory, had been arrested nine times for armed robbery and drug offences before the sistema offered him a clarinet.

At first, I thought they were joking," he recalls. .I thought nobody would trust a kid like me not to steal an instrument like that. But then I realized that they were not lending it to me. They were giving it to me. And it felt much better in my hands than a gun."

That must surely have been destiny. Took ages before a clarinet felt any good in my hands!  Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: 23:14:04, 06-04-2008 »

Lennar Acosta, now a clarinettist in the Caracas Youth Orchestra and a tutor at the Simón Bolívar Conservatory, had been arrested nine times for armed robbery and drug offences before the sistema offered him a clarinet.

At first, I thought they were joking," he recalls. .I thought nobody would trust a kid like me not to steal an instrument like that. But then I realized that they were not lending it to me. They were giving it to me. And it felt much better in my hands than a gun."

That must surely have been destiny. Took ages before a clarinet felt any good in my hands!  Cheesy

Maybe you've missed your true calling, ollie, and you should be toting deadly firearms!
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« Reply #8 on: 23:18:45, 06-04-2008 »



I think my other 9 digits would get restless...



Ah, that's better.
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« Reply #9 on: 23:20:14, 06-04-2008 »

Lennar Acosta, now a clarinettist in the Caracas Youth Orchestra and a tutor at the Simón Bolívar Conservatory, had been arrested nine times for armed robbery and drug offences before the sistema offered him a clarinet.

At first, I thought they were joking," he recalls. .I thought nobody would trust a kid like me not to steal an instrument like that. But then I realized that they were not lending it to me. They were giving it to me. And it felt much better in my hands than a gun."

That must surely have been destiny. Took ages before a clarinet felt any good in my hands!  Cheesy
Thanks for filling in the details, Ollie! Now tell me how a contrabass clarinet feels in your hands (asked he, with vested interest in mind)...
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« Reply #10 on: 23:22:59, 06-04-2008 »

                     
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« Reply #11 on: 23:27:22, 06-04-2008 »

Thanks for filling in the details, Ollie! Now tell me how a contrabass clarinet feels in your hands (asked he, with vested interest in mind)...
Damn good, actually. The left hand keys could be a bit more ergonomic I suppose - often I have to lift my elbow higher than I'd like. (Mine is a Leblanc to low C. No effective silencer has so far been developed. I use a Légère reed. Very effective for slaps.)

Here for example you see a clarinettist expressing his disapproval of an ergonomically sub-optimal keywork arrangement.

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« Reply #13 on: 23:57:02, 06-04-2008 »


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« Reply #14 on: 00:07:06, 07-04-2008 »


The artist formerly known as double-oh Sudden

...License to trill?!
Licence to Ill.
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