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Camille Paglia is hardly typical - she once said that if women had been running the world from the beginning, we'd all still be living in grass huts.
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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Morticia, I have met LOADS of real feminists and probably as many people who would describe themselves as 'feminists' without a clear understanding of what the term implies.
I base my findings on what I've learned from those interactions.
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Morticia, I have met LOADS of real feminists and probably as many people who would describe themselves as 'feminists' without a clear understanding of what the term implies.
I base my findings on what I've learned from those interactions.
The quotation from Camille Paglia is nonsense, but then I could quote plenty of ridiculous statements from men about women. To me being a 'feminist' merely means equal opportunities between the sexes, nothing more or less than that. I hope I am not any less 'feminine' for holding that view. |
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #33 on: 17:52:33, 11-04-2008 » |
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Morticia, I have met LOADS of real feminists and probably as many people who would describe themselves as 'feminists' without a clear understanding of what the term implies.
I base my findings on what I've learned from those interactions.
I now have to ask this question, SK. What are 'real' feminists? |
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« Reply #34 on: 18:31:50, 11-04-2008 » |
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I find it strange that in the last, say 10 or so years, the word 'feminist' appears to have acquired a derogatory meaning.
I don't want to get into a general argument about what feminism is - as a man I cannot comment on women's experience. But I think the answer to Mort's question may be about the preservation of power and the attempt to stifle a perceived threat to it, and I don't think it is possible to see the structures of power in our society as anything other than male dominated. |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #35 on: 18:32:13, 11-04-2008 » |
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By 'real', I should more accurately have said 'professional' - ie, academics, writers, media types all of whom claim to be feminists and whose dodge is to churn out articles about oppression, patriarchy, etc.
I support sexual equality and am against discrimination on grounds of sex....while recognising that men and women can never be equal in all things. This does not, I feel, make me a feminist.
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« Reply #36 on: 18:33:40, 11-04-2008 » |
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I support sexual equality and am against discrimination on grounds of sex....while recognising that men and women can never be equal in all things. This does not, I feel, make me a feminist.
Not so long ago I suspect it actually would have!  |
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« Reply #37 on: 19:20:27, 11-04-2008 » |
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Hey, we can change the title of this thread (and all it's messages) and I'll post the first one again elsewhere  New title of thread anyone? |
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« Reply #38 on: 19:37:02, 11-04-2008 » |
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Hey, we can change the title of this thread (and all it's messages) and I'll post the first one again elsewhere New title of thread anyone?  |
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"People hate anything well made. It gives them a guilty conscience." John Betjeman
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« Reply #39 on: 22:06:43, 11-04-2008 » |
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New title of thread anyone? BBC sack pseudo-Fascist |
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« Reply #40 on: 22:11:57, 11-04-2008 » |
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RED FASCIST QUEEN TO SEEK PASTURES NEW
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« Reply #41 on: 22:14:45, 11-04-2008 » |
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Abramsky go byski?
Jenny jettisoned?
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Best regards,
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"as the housefly of destiny collides with the windscreen of fate..."
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"Well, in our country," said Alice, still panting a little, "you'd generally get to somewhere else — if you run very fast for a long time, as we've been doing."
"A slow sort of country!" said the Queen. "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!"
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« Reply #43 on: 22:01:23, 13-04-2008 » |
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 I think by chance I met Abramsky's cousin 10 years ago or so-my impression was of an affable bluestocking. She seems to have steered through events and trends paralell to New Labours' tangents, which I suspect are where SK is actually aiming his guns-various pronouncements made through its cultural -indeed looking-glass-type-reflection. She was an early `supporter of RW in the face of reduced listening figures, lived through the Birtist internal market which affected R3's esprit de corps none too well the time, but I wonder what actual editorial influence a 'Head of Radio and Music' actually has?
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