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John W
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« Reply #30 on: 12:12:22, 03-05-2008 »

I have to agree with Richard on this.  There is an expression "People get the Government they deserve" and I think if you haven't exercised your right to vote then it's no good complaining of the result.



Right. And I haven't complained about our local council.

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« Reply #31 on: 12:13:40, 03-05-2008 »

I went to a talk Brian Paddick gave to guides on Police in London, and he seemed a nice enough guy, but I'm not sure whether he would have had the confidence to be Mayor.  My second vote went to Livingstone, just to keep out the others.

I can't  understand how a man who was at least perceived as unsympathetic to non-whites (to put it as mildly as possible) and produced headlines in the black press, could have been voted in in a City with an almost 50% non-white population in its centre.

At the risk of sounding frivolous, at least there's a chance of scrapping bendy buses.  (Although the design of the bus is secondary to their frequency and reliability.)
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« Reply #32 on: 12:34:26, 03-05-2008 »

This may very well be terribly naive and I prepare myself for a shooting, but I prefer to think that B has a chance to prove himself now. Undecided
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« Reply #33 on: 12:36:26, 03-05-2008 »

Interestingly enough I have been checking our local County Council website for the full results and in my Ward the turnout was 48% but in some neighbouring villages the turnout was above 62% which I think shows how strongly people feel the Government have let them down, behaved arrogantly and lost touch with ordinary people and this is a protest against them because it's only by a vote that we can tell them how we feel.

Psephologically, by far the most interesting thing to have happened on Thursday was the Tory surge in Wales - Welsh Labour's semi-detached status didn't help it at all.


One would never have thought that Blaenau Gwent or Merthry Tydfil would be anything other than Labour but in fact there was not a swing to the Tories but to the Lib Dems and the Independents in two cases.  In Blaenau Labour lost 8, Lib Dems gained 2 (from having none previously) and the Independents gained 6.  In Merthyr Labour lost 9, Lib Dems gained 6 (again from previously having none) and the Independents gained 3.

The traditional Labour 'safe seats' in the Welsh Valleys are no longer there.  People there are totally disillusioned with Labour and feel the Party no longer cares about them.  
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« Reply #34 on: 12:40:38, 03-05-2008 »

I have to agree with Richard on this.  There is an expression "People get the Government they deserve" and I think if you haven't exercised your right to vote then it's no good complaining of the result.

If I did live in London, much as I quite enjoy watcing Boris on HIGNFU, I would have voted for Brian Paddick.

Yes but Anty, what it it is never going to be the government you deserve.  What if you don't agree with any of them?  My point is, do you just pick the one you think is the least objectionable?  Great!  Then if you voted for the party that was supposed to be for the people - you'd have voted for war in Iraq!!!  Either that or its the fascists - or else the Lib Dems, which counts for nothing at all.  Complete waste of time in my view.
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« Reply #35 on: 13:06:40, 03-05-2008 »

Nothing in my view has degraded electoral politics more than the way that voting has turned into a form of consumer choice - what's in it for me, rather than what's good for society. 

Precisely, except that I'm not sure that voting "has turned" into that. I think it always has been for many, unfortunately.
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« Reply #36 on: 13:37:08, 03-05-2008 »

There should really be a box on the ballot papers to say "None of the above." Trouble is, all politicians know that most people would put their cross there!!
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« Reply #37 on: 13:57:40, 03-05-2008 »

What if you don't agree with any of them?

... and then decide not to vote? Then the proportion of the population which votes will go down (which it has), the political parties will become more and more desperate, in ways which more and more resemble each other, to encourage people's mindless selfishness rather than their understanding of the issues and sympathy for their fellow citizens (which they have), and the "democratic process" will increasingly become a travesty (which it has and will), and as a nonvoter you won't have exercised the only opportunity you have to do something about it. Fundamentally it's only partly about whether you "agree" with the policies of one or other party; it's also partly about whether you are committed to the idea that people should have some choice in the way they're ruled. Not voting is guaranteed to devalue that idea further, give those rulers ever more spurious "mandates" and in the long term make things worse for everyone.

And there is a way of voting "none of the above", it's called spoiling your ballot paper.
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« Reply #38 on: 14:04:24, 03-05-2008 »

OK Richard, but if no one voted the politicians would not have a mandate to do anything.

I do think people should vote, but the problem as I see it is the "party" system. We would be better off if parliament were made up of a lot of independent MP's who could vote as they wanted and not be under the yoke of the party whips.

And get the damned Bishops out of the House of Lords too! Why the hell are they there?
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« Reply #39 on: 14:22:02, 03-05-2008 »

This may very well be terribly naive and I prepare myself for a shooting, but I prefer to think that B has a chance to prove himself now. Undecided

Not naive at all, and it's a very moot point.  Despite their high scoring in both the Elections and in Opinion-Polls, the Opposition (whichever Party it might be) always has the easier task...  sitting on the sidelines and sniping at the failings of the Party in power.

Bozza is now on a promise to deliver, and somehow or other he has got to do so.  This throws the onus on the Conservatives to prove they can really do it (after 10 years of name-calling and PM-bating) and pull the rabbit out of the hat. 

I wonder if Kate Hoey will really take up the offer to be BoJo's Sports honcho?  I believe she's threatened with withdrawal of the Nu-Layba whip by Geoff Hoon if she does.  However, it's hard to think of a more repulsive invertebrate than Hoon, and I sincerely hope she boots that vicious imbecile firmly in the grollies if he attempts to remonstrate with her.  Perhaps his rule about "one set of body armour per two soldiers" doesn't apply to the protection of his own gonad region?  On the other hand, it's quite likely that Hoon has no grollies worth protecting anyhow.
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« Reply #40 on: 14:23:48, 03-05-2008 »

I have to agree with Richard on this.  There is an expression "People get the Government they deserve" and I think if you haven't exercised your right to vote then it's no good complaining of the result.
If I did live in London, much as I quite enjoy watcing Boris on HIGNFU, I would have voted for Brian Paddick.

Yes but Anty, what it it is never going to be the government you deserve.  What if you don't agree with any of them?  My point is, do you just pick the one you think is the least objectionable?  Great!  Then if you voted for the party that was supposed to be for the people - you'd have voted for war in Iraq!!!  Either that or its the fascists - or else the Lib Dems, which counts for nothing at all.  Complete waste of time in my view.

Milly, I have to totally disagree about a Lib Dem vote being a waste of time.  We are discussing local elections here not national.  The Lib Dem vote in Merthyr totally overthrew Labour (gaining 6 seats from having none before) with the help of 3 Independents being elected.  Plus, certainly in Wales, the Independents are gaining more and more ground.  Have a look at the Welsh stats for the Lib Dems and Independents and then say it's a waste of time.

People are so tired of the same two parties slogging it out between them, it really is time for a change but if people can't be asked to vote then it won't ever happen will it?

I think some countries have a law where it is compulsory to vote?
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« Reply #41 on: 14:29:49, 03-05-2008 »

There are such countries, like Australia, I think. But it would be necessary to have a box for "none of the above" - and I'm not sure I would go along with compulsory voting.
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« Reply #42 on: 14:33:17, 03-05-2008 »

Reiner - you have made some good points there. I suppose if Boris buggers it all up (which I think he will) then it will look bad for Cameron and the Tories. It could lead to a hung parliament in two years, which could be the best outcome. Let's face it, they are all useless W******.
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« Reply #43 on: 14:48:48, 03-05-2008 »

It could lead to a hung parliament in two years, which could be the best outcome. Let's face it, they are all useless W******.

I'm strongly inclined to agree with you there, Ariosto Smiley   Although he might well have entered upon the Mayoral campaign out of bravado or for a lark,  BoJo will now have Conservative Central Office watching (and vetting) his every move, because he's Dolly The Sheep - a test-tube prototype who must be made to succeed if credibility is to be maintained.  No skylarking will be permitted, and BJ's more outlandish soundbyte tendencies (like his famous crack about Liverpudlians) will have to be tamed.  Can he manage that?  Can they manage it?  It'll be fun to watch them try, anyhow Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: 14:59:59, 03-05-2008 »

I have noted in a number of places a comparison of Johnson to Bertie Wooster, (a comparison which can only be made by someone unacquainted with the original.)

So whose Jeeves?

The servant class in control.

(And thank you to whoever for drawing my attention to Johnson's repellent homophobia.  I was not aware of it.  I am now.)
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