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« Reply #436 on: 21:54:20, 11-04-2008 » |
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This is filth! Depraved Filth! Incest?? Mothers-on-sons?? Mods! Mods! I know, shocking isn't it? But that's opera for ya, folks!!  I've just thought of another mother I'm fairly certain we haven't mentioned (having done a quick check) - Mamma Lucia, Turiddu's mum in Cavalleria Rusticana. |
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« Reply #437 on: 21:55:53, 11-04-2008 » |
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This is filth! Depraved Filth! Incest?? Mothers-on-sons?? Mods! Mods! Sorry, I've had enough for now. As far as I'm concerned you all deserve each other.  |
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« Reply #439 on: 21:59:23, 11-04-2008 » |
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This is filth! Depraved Filth! Incest?? Mothers-on-sons??
And dads-on-daughters too?? And the strange thing is they thought it strengthened the royal bloodline... despite the, err, Crone's Disease, or whatever it was that caused the deformation of Akhnaten's skull and other bodily features? You'd have thought with the pick of the entire country's nubile population willing to become concubines of the God-King, he might've done a bit better than picking 'is ol' mum? I mean, what do you talk about afterwards, for one thing? Still, at least you don't have to drop her home afterwards, and for a packet of Rizlas and a glass or two of Wincarnis, the outlay isn't much  |
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« Reply #440 on: 22:12:18, 11-04-2008 » |
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This is filth! Depraved Filth! Incest?? Mothers-on-sons??
And dads-on-daughters too?? And the strange thing is they thought it strengthened the royal bloodline... despite the, err, Crone's Disease, or whatever it was that caused the deformation of Akhnaten's skull and other bodily features? Er, I think you mean Marfan's Syndrome. Crohn's disease is a bowel disorder (although for all I know he may have had that as well). |
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« Reply #441 on: 22:13:05, 11-04-2008 » |
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Another scary mum?  Maria Callas as Cherubini's Medea |
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« Reply #442 on: 22:17:11, 11-04-2008 » |
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This is filth! Depraved Filth! Incest?? Mothers-on-sons??
And dads-on-daughters too?? And the strange thing is they thought it strengthened the royal bloodline... despite the, err, Crone's Disease, or whatever it was that caused the deformation of Akhnaten's skull and other bodily features? Er, I think you mean Marfan's Syndrome. Crohn's disease is a bowel disorder (although for all I know he may have had that as well). Maybe in this context he meant Creon's disease. |
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« Reply #443 on: 22:23:20, 11-04-2008 » |
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for a packet of Rizlas and a glass or two of Wincarnis, the outlay isn't much Reiner, never mind mums, in the old days that's all it took anyway, wasn't it?  |
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« Reply #444 on: 22:28:57, 11-04-2008 » |
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This is filth! Depraved Filth! Incest?? Mothers-on-sons??
And dads-on-daughters too?? And the strange thing is they thought it strengthened the royal bloodline... despite the, err, Crone's Disease, or whatever it was that caused the deformation of Akhnaten's skull and other bodily features? Er, I think you mean Marfan's Syndrome. Crohn's disease is a bowel disorder (although for all I know he may have had that as well). Maybe in this context he meant Creon's disease. Now it's interesting you should say that, because there's a rather interesting book by the pseudo-scientist Immanuel Velikovsky which claims that Oedipus and Akhnaten were in fact the same person, ie. that the Greek myth of Oedipus actually relates the true story of king Akhnaten, his ancestry and progeny. No doubt it's as wide of the mark as Velikovsky's other outpourings, but at least it doesn't revolve around unfeasible astronomical pile-ups. |
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« Reply #445 on: 22:36:06, 11-04-2008 » |
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I think Don B was after some Rossinian mothers as well. How about two mezzo roles:
Hedwige, William Tell's wife and mother of Jemmy
Lucia, wife of Fabrizio Vingradito in La gazza ladra, and mother of Giannetto
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« Reply #446 on: 22:43:12, 11-04-2008 » |
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You are good, IGI. Those were precisely the two I was thinking about.
Tell is a work of which I am not a great fan. (The Soldiers Dance is in some ways deeply unpleasant, as the lads effectevely rape the women to an infectiously jolly tune.)
I am fond of La gazza ladra, not least because it has a whole range of characters (at least six) given their own solos - including the boring hero's mother before the Act 2 Finale - we've got to fit in a solo for her and this is the last opportunity. I think the technical term for Lucia's aria is an aria di sorbetto.
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« Reply #447 on: 11:34:43, 12-04-2008 » |
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Another coloratura mother came to my mind in the wee small hours, Rossini this time.
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« Reply #448 on: 13:33:49, 12-04-2008 » |
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La gazza ladra is a lovely opera, isn't it. I have a live recording, issued on Sony, with Katia Ricciarelli as Ninetta and a good supporting cast. William Tell is a tougher nut to crack, but contains some fine music. It is my view that Rossini's 'serious' operas are overshadowed somewhat by the comedies, not that they're not marvellous - I have a lot of time for Il Barbiere, Cenerentola, L'Italiana - but they offer a skewed view of his considerable output.
Talking of serious Rossini operas, is your other soprano mother Amaltea, Pharaoh's wife and mother of Osiride in Mosè in Egitto? I spent ages hunting down the Claudio Scimone recording from Philips on eBay, eventually finding one from the US which required a very early morning start to make sure my last minute bid wasn't trumped!
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« Reply #449 on: 13:41:54, 12-04-2008 » |
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No, not Moise, IGI, but from the same period.
My La gazza ladra is conducted by Zedda, with an Italian cast. The work really deserves to be better known, apart from the overture.
I like Maometto Secondo, in which the soprano unusually is torn between the love of the contralto and the bass. Her father is the tenor, following baroque convention. Her mother is dead before the action, but the heroine dies on her tomb. Rossini has more in common with C18 opera seria than is often admitted.
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