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« Reply #465 on: 16:57:59, 13-04-2008 » |
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Easy-peasy, of course, but which father's misplaced best intentions end-up with his daughter in a sack?
Who is another father who opposes his daughter's choice of husband... but ends-up blind (and subsequently dies) whilst the marriage proceeds successfully? (defeated fathers who shuffle off and die before the happy end are something of a rarity, aren't they?)
Which obstreperous dad won't allow his younger (pretty) daughter to marry her sweetheart, until the elder (not-so-pretty) one has been married-off to an English Count? This one's more obscure, so you get a clue - David Garrick had a hand in the libretto.
And which dad opposes his son's attentions to a young lady, primarily because is her lover himself... and ends up being shot by her? (Clue - the opera's featured very recently in other questions here).
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« Reply #466 on: 17:08:10, 13-04-2008 » |
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Easy-peasy, of course, but which father's misplaced best intentions end-up with his daughter in a sack? Rigoletto |
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« Reply #467 on: 17:08:53, 13-04-2008 » |
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Oh, and an additional one that Don B should relish... another dad interfering in a love-match, but considering his daughter's dating (and possibly married in secret to) a known criminal and womaniser, perhaps he's not so misanthropic? Our dad here succeeds in getting his daughter's amour behind bars, but he escapes in the most unlikely of plot twists at the end...
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« Reply #468 on: 17:48:23, 13-04-2008 » |
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David Garrick would suggest Cimarosa's Il matrimonio segreto based on Coleman's The Clandestine Marriage. (did C18 English put the stress a la americaine Clandestine?) Not a work I know, and I don't know the names of the father. Sounds the sort of thing to make one recognise what a genius Mozart was.
Since reiner has mentioned myself, the dad whose daughter is married to a criminal is Peachum in The Beggars Opera. Macheath escapes not so much through a plot twist, as I recall, but through postively post modern dramaturgy.
Rigoletto effectively loses his daughter because he is so over-protective in the first place. She never meets a man, so falls for the first hunky cad to come her way. A case for proper sex education. Each man kills the thing he loves. I find the situation deeply troubling.
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« Reply #469 on: 18:08:30, 13-04-2008 » |
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Bravos all round, Team!  Garrick's THE CLANDESTINE MARRIAGE (in which Colman was a co-author) was cooked-up into an opera libretto by Giovanni Bertati, and first given in 1792. The overture is probably the best thing in it - the rest of Cimarosa's score is lightweight. The cruel dad - just to finish off the question - is named Geronimo in the Italian version. It's really an evening for the comic bass, Count Robinson... he has to affect absurd dress-sense and appalling table-manners to see if the soprano really loves him or not? Astoundingly this piece is in repertory in both Moscow (Pokrovsky Chamber Opera) and St Petersburg (Petersburg Opera) currently. Quite right on Mr Peachum and his daughter Polly, and on Rigoletto and Gilda. We're still seeking a dad who ends-up blinded... I'd give you until June 24th to get that normally, but with enough fishing around you ought to get it sooner. And for our dad who gets shot by the girl his son is also dating... the circle of her lovers additionally includes both the under-aged and same-sex relationships. And a production photo appears on the previous page  |
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« Reply #470 on: 18:21:56, 13-04-2008 » |
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The last one is Lulu, as it is the only opera I know with a genuine lesbian relationship (although Calisto discovers the joys of sapphic oo la la, her lover is in fact a male.)
24 June, makes me think St John's Day, Meistersinger, but it can't be that. St John the Baptist is also in Salome, but this is the liturgical anorak in me. Can't be that. It will probably come to me in the middle of a sleepless night.
I remember an exceptionally attractive aria for Des Grieux's father in Manon, but I think dad is trying to persuade his son to give up being a priest, find a nice girl (of good family) and get breeding (in both senses of the word.)
Des Greieux is trying his vocation to escape the fatal allure of Manon, but the silly guy runs off with the gold-digging little tart all the same.
The dad has met Manon singing a gorgeous gavotte number, but I forget how he reacts to her. O yes, he lets her know where his son is training for the priesthood, and she rushes off to try her manipulative charms.
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« Reply #471 on: 18:48:47, 13-04-2008 » |
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The last one is Lulu, as it is the only opera I know with a genuine lesbian relationship (although Calisto discovers the joys of sapphic oo la la, her lover is in fact a male.)
Right opera indeed, but we still need the dysfunctional dad in it to complete the assignment? It would be just Handsome if we could name him - just what the Doctor ordered! Although 24th June is your deadline, it's really the events of its Eve that concern us for the other one... that clue ought to tip it for you? |
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« Reply #472 on: 18:54:33, 13-04-2008 » |
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Although 24th June is your deadline, it's really the events of its Eve that concern us for the other one... that clue ought to tip it for you?
Ah yes, of course, King Fisher in The Midsummer Marriage.
In The Bartered Bride, Krušina, who is in debt to Mícha, is forcing his daughter, Mařenka, to marry Mícha's son, Vašek.
And of course Micha has disinherited his son by his first marriage, Jenik, who is in live with Marenka ... |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #474 on: 19:02:34, 13-04-2008 » |
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'ansome, Richard And thanks to PW for completing the set Any more dysfunctional operatic dads? |
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« Reply #475 on: 19:59:31, 13-04-2008 » |
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I'm currently in rehearsals for what technically isn't quite an opera which features two fathers. The son of one is engaged to the daughter of the other. The daughter's father insults the son's father (slaps him off-stage, too). So the son's father urges the son to avenge the insult and kill his fiancée's father. He does so, and then urges his fiancée to kill him. She can't bring herself to. Eventually they get back together and everyone's happy (except, obviously, the dead guy).
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« Reply #476 on: 20:25:41, 13-04-2008 » |
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Would that be Handel's Flavio, re di Longobardi, strina?
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« Reply #477 on: 20:30:39, 13-04-2008 » |
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That's the one, IGI. Ridiculous plot. I didn't even get into the son's sister's story. But good fun for all (except, obviously, the dead guy).
Performances this Tuesday (15th) at Birmingham Town Hall and Thursday (17th) in London at the Barbican if you're interested - 7pm start.
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« Reply #478 on: 20:37:16, 13-04-2008 » |
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I see it's starring Sandrine Piau, but I seem to have a bit of a curse where she's concerned; each time I book a concert she's in (Lufthansa Festival two years ago and Ariodante last spring) she's had to withdraw through illness. Perhaps I'll wait until Thursday and see if she's still well... |
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« Reply #479 on: 20:44:11, 13-04-2008 » |
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(except, obviously, the dead guy).
But he deserved it. For having a daughter who slapped someone else... Sometimes I think Handel operas should end with a freeze-frame of everyone smiling in the restaurant about it afterwards, like at the end of episodes of Quincy ME. "So what, I slapped his dad and he killed mine? Relax, stuff happens! Now have another chocolate and smile for the camera, huh?" |
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