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Author Topic: The R3 Opera Quiz - After the Supper Interval  (Read 23591 times)
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« Reply #480 on: 20:58:27, 13-04-2008 »

Oh, I guess some of the websites haven't been updated... Sandrine Piau is not appearing, and that's been known for about a month.  But I can recommend her replacement, Karina Gauvin.  The whole cast is very good.

BTW Reiner, it wasn't the daughter who did the slapping, it was the dead guy himself.  So he really deserved it.   Wink  The daughters in this work don't get up to anything worse than a bit of illicit pre-marital shagging.

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« Reply #481 on: 21:15:07, 13-04-2008 »

BTW Reiner, it wasn't the daughter who did the slapping, it was the dead guy himself.  So he really deserved it.   Wink 

Absolutely understandable, then!  Summary justice, opera seria-style!  I hope they caught the Happy Slapping on a mobile phone and posted it on myspace too?  Wink

Sounds like all will be well for a jovial finale of reconciliation over trattoria-type supper  Cheesy  Tune in next week, same time, same channel, when Tamerlano blesses the wedding of Andronico & Asteria,  even though he fancied Asteria himself and her poisoned father's body is still lying on the floor...
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« Reply #482 on: 12:30:35, 14-04-2008 »

Herr Faninal is more concerned with the social status of his daughter's fiancee in Der Rosenkavalier than with her emotional well being.
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« Reply #483 on: 12:40:43, 14-04-2008 »

her poisoned father's body is still lying on the floor...
Offstage at least, if I remember right?

Now isn't that the one where Handel gave the happy words of the final chorus glum music (at least in one version)? I must check.
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« Reply #484 on: 13:03:18, 14-04-2008 »

Now isn't that the one where Handel gave the happy words of the final chorus glum music (at least in one version)? I must check.

As you say, there are multiple versions - you can see the extent of them on the index page of the Chrysander edition of the score
(http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0001/bsb00016912/images/index.html?seite=10) - marked "A" and "B" in Atto Terzo

Handel was rewriting the opera on the hoof even during rehearsals, because the Italian tenor who turned-up to sing Bajazet (in fact he was - like many tenors - something of a baritone) came brandishing a much better libretto on the subject,  which Handel pillaged as much as available time allowed him.   The long list of cuts and reworkings accounts for the extensive appendices given in the printed Chrysander score.

You're right about Bajazet expiring off-stage - there's a stage direction in his final aria "va mancando le ritirarsi dentro la scena, sostenuto sempre da Asteria e Andronico"  (p 132 of the Chrysander score url'd above).  Of course, a censorship convention of the time strongly disapproved of stage deaths,  and performers were obliged to peg-out more decorously off-stage, for fear of giving offence.  It's a moot point whether this convention ought to be honoured in contemporary performances?   The entire end of TAMERLANO has a very strained and awkward feel to it,  which is primarily why I picked it - from many other candidates - to spoof in my msg above Smiley

The plaintive final chorus you mentioned is here:
http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0001/bsb00016912/images/index.html?id=00016912&fip=217.10.38.39&no=5&seite=152
and very fine it is, too.
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« Reply #485 on: 13:25:41, 14-04-2008 »

It's been posited in the course of rehearsing Flavio that it was the earliest opera (for lack of a better word) to feature a killing and death all on-stage.  Any other candidates?
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« Reply #486 on: 13:28:31, 14-04-2008 »

It's been posited in the course of rehearsing Flavio that it was the earliest opera (for lack of a better word) to feature a killing and death all on-stage.  Any other candidates?


Ulysses kills Penelope's suitors on stage at the end of the Fourth Act of Il Ritorno d'Ulisse .  Those who remembrer David Freeman's ENO production will recall that this turned into something of a general massacre.
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« Reply #487 on: 14:25:24, 14-04-2008 »

Although it's technically a "madrigal", TANCREDI E CLORINDA has a killing on stage,  and moreover there's no apotheosis (there can't be, "because she's an infidel"), and she dies in the gutter by the roadside,  saying "I think I can see Heaven".

Ai! Conoscenza!

Although he can't have known the piece, Verdi must have realised the emotional value (noted by Don B just yesterday) of a baritone realising - on unveiling the face of an unknown body dressed as a man - that he's killed the one he loved.


Alexander Aksenov/Tancredi, Marina Kalinina/Clorinda
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« Reply #488 on: 14:31:47, 14-04-2008 »

that he's killed the one he loved.

By way of a facetious aside, I had to restrain myself from titling another show as "Bastien & Bastienne, OR You Always Herd The One You Love".  But it lost something in the translation Smiley
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« Reply #489 on: 14:37:55, 14-04-2008 »

I protest!

Tancredi's last action in the piece is to baptise Clorinda at her request; she thus dies a Christian. Her last actual words are 'give me the baptism that washes away all my sins'; the last words of the piece are 'heaven opens: I go in peace'. Strictly speaking they're not something Clorinda says but, as the narrator explains, what her last smile seems to say - Monteverdi nevertheless gives them to the soprano.

Amico, hai vinto: io ti perdon... perdona
tu ancora, al corpo no, che nulla pave,
a l'alma sì: deh! per lei prega, e dona
battesmo a me ch'ogni mia colpa lave.

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Mentre egli il suon de' sacri detti sciolse,
colei di gioia trasmutossi, e rise:
e in atto di morir lieta e vivace
dir parea: "S'apre il ciel: io vado in pace".

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« Reply #490 on: 14:57:32, 14-04-2008 »

Strictly speaking they're not something Clorinda says

Yeah, she only sings them  Wink

She may ask for baptism, but whether she gets it is another thing.  She still dies in the gutter (the scene of their struggle is a lonely road at night),  and her body is left there.   (My baritone - pic above - walked back to the corpse as she sang the final words, and covered her face with his jacket.  Cross uppermost. Those blazons weren't on modern fencing-gear by accident, y'know Smiley )

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« Reply #491 on: 15:05:08, 14-04-2008 »

She may ask for baptism, but whether she gets it is another thing.

Another thing which Tasso and Monteverdi recount thus:

Poco quindi lontan nel sen d'un monte
scaturia mormorando un picciol rio.
Egli v'accorse e l'elmo empiè nel fonte,
e tornò mesto al grande ufficio e pio.
Tremar sentì la man, mentre la fronte
non conosciuta ancor sciolse e scoprio.
La vide e la conobbe: e restò senza
e voce e moto. Ahi vista! ahi conoscenza!

Non morì già, ché sue virtuti accolse
tutte in quel punto e in guardia al cor le mise,
e premendo il suo affanno a dar si volse
vita con l'acqua a chi col ferro uccise.


Don't have the time or smarts to translate it all but the last bit is where Tancredi "gives life with water to her whom he has killed with iron".
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« Reply #492 on: 15:14:06, 14-04-2008 »

"I'm sorry, Sir, you've 'ad your baptism fair-and-square... now move along, please, there's a lot more people behind you demanding refunds, you're not the only one, Sir"  Wink

"Now, Madam - why wasn't there a real horse in it?  Well, you see, the regulations about Performing Animals state that... I'm sorry, but even if the Duke loaned his own charger for the original production, that doesn't mean..."

 Wink
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« Reply #493 on: 09:19:18, 15-04-2008 »

Who is another father who opposes his daughter's choice of husband...  but ends-up blind (and subsequently dies) whilst the marriage proceeds successfully? 

There were a couple of blind fathers I considered for this, but they weren't blinded during the opera, so...new question:

Mention blind characters in opera!
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« Reply #494 on: 09:32:16, 15-04-2008 »


Mention blind characters in opera!

La Cieca, Gioconda's blind mother.
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