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« Reply #855 on: 19:06:24, 18-08-2008 » |
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Opera is full of siblings. In just one work (Oh, all right, four really) we have:
Three Rheinmaidens Alberich and Mime Donner and Froh Fasolt and Fafner Siegmund and Sieglinde Eight Valkyries Three Norns Gunter and Gutrune (who are half-siblings of Hagen)
And elsewhere in the Bayreuth canon we have Elsa and Gottfried, who admittedly makes most of his appearances in the guise of a swan (a mute role, of course)
Some more siblings (as they come to mind)
Miles and Flora Auntie's Nieces (sort of) Hansel und Gretel Manon and Lescaut (as it were) Fiordiligi and Dorabella Barak, The One-Armed, the One-Eyed and the other chap Marguerite and Valentin Lord Walton and Sir George Walton Norma's offspring (seen but not heard) Elektra, Orestes and Chrysothemis Cleopatra and Ptolemey
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #856 on: 19:07:41, 18-08-2008 » |
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Not, two of those feature in Clip 2 and one of them in Clip 1! Apologies...off out now....I shall return!
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« Reply #857 on: 19:12:31, 18-08-2008 » |
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No 2 must be Manon Lescaut, at a guess - Puccini is a bit of a blind spot as far as I am concerned
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #858 on: 19:15:06, 18-08-2008 » |
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It is. I've just listened to it and recognised it straight away
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« Reply #859 on: 21:00:37, 18-08-2008 » |
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pw, I assume your avatar is from the Glyndebourne Pelleas et Melisande, so I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Pelleas and Gollum Golaud.
On to Janacek - Steva and Laca are step-brothers (Jenufa), Varvara is Tichon's foster-sister (Katya Kabanova), and then there are all those little fox cubs in Vixen.
Heading further west, Xenia and Fyodor (Boris Godunov).
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« Reply #860 on: 21:04:28, 18-08-2008 » |
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pw, I assume your avatar is from the Glyndebourne Pelleas et Melisande, so I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Pelleas and Gollum Golaud.
On to Janacek - Steva and Laca are step-brothers (Jenufa), Varvara is Tichon's foster-sister (Katya Kabanova), and then there are all those little fox cubs in Vixen.
Heading further west, Xenia and Fyodor (Boris Godunov).
Of course! For some reason I had it in my head that pw's avatar was something from Boris
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« Reply #861 on: 21:49:24, 18-08-2008 » |
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pw, I assume your avatar is from the Glyndebourne Pelleas et Melisande, so I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Pelleas and Gollum Golaud.
On to Janacek - Steva and Laca are step-brothers (Jenufa), Varvara is Tichon's foster-sister (Katya Kabanova), and then there are all those little fox cubs in Vixen.
Heading further west, Xenia and Fyodor (Boris Godunov).
Of course! For some reason I had it in my head that pw's avatar was something from Boris It is from Boris - changed from Wotan to mark John Tomlinson's appearance at the Proms. Still can't get No 1, and I'm still inclined to think it's Gluck... And I can't remember whether the three noble orphans in Rosenkavalier are actually from the same family . A quick glance at Kobbe reminds me that Barak's third brother was The Hunchback. And that the Countess' brother in Capriccio ("Wo ist mein Bruder?") is, strangely enough, the Count, which doesn't seem quite right (but no stranger than the fact that the only decent tune in the whole work is given to the first horn. I'll get me cloak).
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« Reply #862 on: 21:53:24, 18-08-2008 » |
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Moses und Aron Jocasta and Creon
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« Reply #863 on: 21:57:17, 18-08-2008 » |
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no stranger than the fact that the only decent tune in the whole work is given to the first horn. And that tune was recycled from an old song cycle anyway... I have to admit to a liking for Capriccio though, especially the prelude. Strauss must have been a deeply weird individual to write such a thing when the world was being smashed to hell around him.
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« Reply #864 on: 22:01:19, 18-08-2008 » |
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I have to admit to a liking for Capriccio though, especially the prelude. Strauss must have been a deeply weird individual to write such a thing when the world was being smashed to hell around him.
Funny, Richard... that's precisely why I can't stand it! Smug git, innit. (oh I know, my problem etc...)
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« Reply #865 on: 01:06:57, 19-08-2008 » |
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No 2 must be Manon Lescaut, at a guess - Puccini is a bit of a blind spot as far as I am concerned
Yes, it is. However, I couldn't have picked an extract from Massenet's Manon as, for some strange reason, in that version Lescaut is Manon's cousin! Still can't get No 1, and I'm still inclined to think it's Gluck...
You'd be correct in that inclination...
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« Reply #866 on: 07:43:41, 19-08-2008 » |
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The only Gluckian siblings I can think of are Iphigenia and Orestes in Iphigenie en Tauride - which would fit with IGI's suggestion that one of the characters in Clip 1 has already been mentioned.
More siblings:
Rusalka and the water nymphs Leonora and Carlo in La Forza del Destino Alcina and Morgana
(I am sitting eating my muesli, I have a train to catch, and I'm trying to think up operatic siblings. Such is the diabolical influence of his Eminence ...)
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« Reply #867 on: 07:53:17, 19-08-2008 » |
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(I am sitting eating my muesli, I have a train to catch, and I'm trying to think up operatic siblings. Such is the diabolical influence of his Eminence ...)
Scary, isn't it! Leonora and Carlo in Forza are barely on the stage at the same time. The only time they are, in Act II, she is in disguise as a pilgrim, he as a student. In I Masnadieri, there are the brothers Carlo and Francesco, although they never have a scene together. Nabucco starts with Abigaille and Fenena believing they are sisters, although Abigaille later finds out she was, in fact, a slave (which begs the question why/how she came to be regarded his eldest daughter?) In Rossini's La Cenerentola, although Cinders is only a step-sister, there are sisters in Clorinda and Tisbe. Moses and Aaron, of course, not only appear in Schoenberg, but in Rossini’s Mosè in Egitto, and Moïse et Pharaon, ou Le passage de la Mer Rouge. In Albeniz's Merlin, we have Arthur and his half-sister Morgan le Fay. In Borodin's Prince Igor, Yaroslavna (Igor's wife) is Prince Galitsky's sister. Going back to the previous round, we find Ophelie and Laërte in Thomas' Hamlet. Staying with Shakespeare, sort of, Wagner's Das Liebesverbot, based on Measure for Measure, has siblings Claudio and Isabella. Can you think of an opera where a pair of characters pretend to be brother and sister?
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« Reply #868 on: 09:08:03, 19-08-2008 » |
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Can you think of an opera where a pair of characters pretend to be brother and sister?
The Yeomen of the Guard, IGI? Colonel Fairfax disguises himself as Sergeant Meryll's son Leonard in order to remain incognito after having escaped from prison, and young Phoebe is only too happy to pretend to be his sister given that it means she can hug and kiss him as often as she likes...
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« Reply #869 on: 09:17:52, 19-08-2008 » |
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Very good, although knowing my lack of knowledge of G&S, you'll not be surprised to learn YotG was not the one I was thinking of. An Italian opera buffa...
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