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Author Topic: The R3 Opera Quiz - After the Supper Interval  (Read 23591 times)
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« Reply #870 on: 15:48:38, 19-08-2008 »

Hey, in Don Pasquale, doesn't Malatesta introduce Norina as a possible bride to Pasquale as his sweet, innocent, convent bred sister?  (Why continental RCs believe that convent education produces sweet and innocent young girls I cannot for the life of me fathom.)
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« Reply #871 on: 15:53:01, 19-08-2008 »

Hey, in Don Pasquale, doesn't Malatesta introduce Norina as a possible bride to Pasquale as his sweet, innocent, convent bred sister? 

That's the one! He introduces her as 'Sofronia'.
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« Reply #872 on: 12:10:50, 20-08-2008 »

Another pair of siblings - in W&P, Helene Bezukhov(a) is Anatole's sister, and she assists him in the abduction of Natasha Rostova.  Natasha has a duet with her sister as the opening number of the opera (excluding the Prelude, if moved to the opening from its correct place at the start of Part II), so that's double siblings for you Smiley

Now, what about long-lost siblings?!  A pair who serenade each other with the guitar and (cadenza) co-o-oncertina, too?  Answers swiftly please, or I shall be forced to sing "Rataplan!", and you know how greatly you'd dislike that...
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« Reply #873 on: 12:45:37, 20-08-2008 »

Cox and Box, reiner. Is the Russian translation working out OK?
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« Reply #874 on: 13:24:18, 20-08-2008 »

Answers swiftly please, or I shall be forced to sing "Rataplan!", and you know how greatly you'd dislike that...

You see my ignorance of G&S....I assumed that was a reference to La Forza!!!  Cheesy

Another pair of siblings - in W&P, Helene Bezukhov(a) is Anatole's sister, and she assists him in the abduction of Natasha Rostova.  Natasha has a duet with her sister as the opening number of the opera (excluding the Prelude, if moved to the opening from its correct place at the start of Part II), so that's double siblings for you Smiley

I'd forgotten about Helene and Anatole - nasty pieces of work - but I always thought that Natasha and Sonya were cousins, not sisters?
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« Reply #875 on: 13:29:27, 20-08-2008 »

(Point of information: Cox and Box is S but not G.  Sullivan wrote it before he began working with Gilbert.  It is a one act farce, with three male soloists, and it sends up Forza, among other things.  Reiner will know far more about it.)
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« Reply #876 on: 13:32:42, 20-08-2008 »

Yes, I've just read the plot. Presumably this is where the expression 'box and cox' to take turns comes from?
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« Reply #877 on: 13:51:47, 20-08-2008 »

I always thought it was the other way round - that the opera was so called because of the existing expression.

The librettist is F. C. Burnand.
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« Reply #878 on: 19:18:21, 21-08-2008 »

COX & BOX is right indeed Smiley   Burnand's original play (from which the "triumviretta" libretto was mined) was titled "Box & Cox", and was very popular in its own right - the character of the cheating guesthouse proprietor was female in the play, she was "Mrs Bouncer".  I think she became male due to the triumviretta's conception as an entertainment for Gentleman's Clubs, where ladies were not, at the time, admitted.   It could be quite funny to make her formidable mezzo all the same.  The three trios in the piece would need reallocation of the vocal lines of course, but in the original vocal score Bouncer's assigned the top line, despite having a bottom E (!) in his own aria...  this is usually attributed to typographer's error  (presumably in revenge against a musical piece in which one of the characters is a typographer).

FORZA might well be the humorous target, but I see shades of the TRAVIATA gambling-scene in C&B, which has a Gambling Duet ("Sixes!" - often cut in recordings) in which the loser has to marry the girl Wink  (Her stock rises later on news by telegram that she is an heiress).  The idea of keeping "Penelope Ann Wiggins" offstage entirely, but front-of-mind through telegrams received, is a very neat piece of dramaturgy.  I wish Sullivan had collaborated more often with Burnand!  Smiley

The Russian translation is going well, but it keeps me awake at nights - when I'm lying awake with a dreadful headache and repose is taboo'ed by anxiety - then I wake up with the perfect solution for a tricky phrase Smiley
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« Reply #879 on: 20:18:43, 22-08-2008 »

Following on from the Shakespeare and Opera thread, I think few here would deny that Verdi's Otello is one of the better adaptations of the Bard. Here, for a bit of fun, are seven Otellos in the short section from Act II 'Ora e per sempre addio', his 'farewell' to sanity as he begins to believe Iago's lies:

O, now, for ever
Farewell the tranquil mind! farewell content!
Farewell the plumed troop, and the big wars,
That make ambition virtue! O, farewell!
Farewell the neighing steed, and the shrill trump,
The spirit-stirring drum, the ear-piercing fife,
The royal banner, and all quality,
Pride, pomp and circumstance of glorious war!
And, O you mortal engines, whose rude throats
The immortal Jove's dead clamours counterfeit,
Farewell! Othello's occupation's gone!


Boito's text based on this:

Ora e per sempre addio sante memorie,
addio, sublimi incanti del pensier!
Addio schiere fulgenti, addio vittorie,
dardi volanti e volanti corsier!
Addio, vessillo trionfale e pio,
e diane squillanti in sul mattin!
Clamori e canti di battaglia, addio!
Della gloria d'Otello è questo il fin.


and in Avril Bardoni's 1978 Decca translation:

Now, and forever farewell, sacred memories,
farewell, sublime enchantments of the mind!
Farewell, shining battalions and victories,
the flying arrow and the flying steed!
Farewell to the standard triumphant and holy
and the shrill fife that sounded to reveille!
Pride, pomp and circumstance of war,
farewell! Farewell, Othello’s glory’s at an end!


So, how many tenors can you identify here?

Otello No.1 http://www.sendspace.com/file/hdj02n
Otello No.2 http://www.sendspace.com/file/jtoayw
Otello No.3 http://www.sendspace.com/file/kv30oc
Otello No.4 http://www.sendspace.com/file/tz67ge
Otello No.5 http://www.sendspace.com/file/du0j1q
Otello No.6 http://www.sendspace.com/file/d0likg
Otello No.7 http://www.sendspace.com/file/xylrk0
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« Reply #880 on: 21:49:19, 22-08-2008 »

Gosh!  These are difficult.

01 - Vickers
02 - possibly Bergonzi?
03 - possibly Martinelli?
I think 06 could be Melchior, but I'm not at all sure.

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07 - I'm guessing at Tamagno, the first Otello, who recorded extracts in 1904 (he died in 1905), but I haven't heard these.  (The slow tempo is consistent with that used by Barbirolli in his recording, who claims to have based his approach on the accounts given by his father and grandfather, who played in the orchestra at the premiere.) 
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« Reply #881 on: 21:56:57, 22-08-2008 »

Some fascinating guesses, pw. It'll be interesting to read your response when you find out who the incorrect ones were! 1 is indeed Jon Vickers, from his earlier recording with Tullio Serafin conducting. 7 is Francesco Tamagno, the original Otello, taking it at a much slower pace than we're used to now; interesting to learn about the connection between Barbirolli and the premiere - Toscanini played cello in that performance.
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« Reply #882 on: 21:58:06, 22-08-2008 »

And good on Decca commissioning and paying for a new translation.  If only recordings of the Bach passions could give us non-german speakers a translation, rather than the Authorized Version supplemented by rhyming Victorian paraphrases of the arias.
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« Reply #883 on: 22:01:23, 22-08-2008 »

The slow tempo is consistent with that used by Barbirolli in his recording, who claims to have based his approach on the accounts given by his father and grandfather, who played in the orchestra at the premiere.

I don't have the Barbirolli recording - I haven't heard much of James McCracken, but Gwyneth Jones as Desdemona and DF-D as Iago don't look too promising on paper...
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« Reply #884 on: 22:07:07, 22-08-2008 »

The slow tempo is consistent with that used by Barbirolli in his recording, who claims to have based his approach on the accounts given by his father and grandfather, who played in the orchestra at the premiere.

I don't have the Barbirolli recording - I haven't heard much of James McCracken, but Gwyneth Jones as Desdeona and DF-D as Iago don't look too promising on paper...

I do have this, but it's a while since I played it.  Actually, the young Gwyneth Jones is the best thing about it - much of her singing is very beautiful indeed and has a real radiance and virginal quality about it.  There are just hints of the unsteadiness to come.  But Fischer-Dieskau is miscast and McCracken gives a performance of industrial-grade ham, pulling the vocal line about in a way that makes Corelli look like a model of style and decorum.  Barbirolli is very interesting; IMO his conducting here has a lot in common with his Verdi Requiem, being quite slow and lyrical, going for grandeur rather than raw power.  More a "hmm, how interesting" than a "wow" performance on the whole.

I now feel the need to go and listen to a bit of this ....
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