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« Reply #975 on: 22:35:51, 06-09-2008 » |
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A pastoral scene enacted at a Russian party
This is Pique Dame, I guess. I don't know it, but isn't Strauss' Daphne full of love lorn shepherds? Might Gounod's Mireille come in somewhere, and Meyerbeer's Dinorah? Or is Dinorah a goatherdess?
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« Reply #976 on: 23:06:37, 06-09-2008 » |
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I don't know it, but isn't Strauss' Daphne full of love lorn shepherds?
Well, one lovelorn shepherd - Leukippos, who is killed by Apollo in a fit of jealous anger. Another shepherd is Pedro in d'Albert's Tiefland - who is forced to marry Marta, the mistress of Sebastiano, a landowner, so that he can have her nearby once he is married. It ends up with Marta falling for Pedro and Pedro killing Sebastiano and heading back into the mountains with Marta - the Tiefland of the title refers to the sordid goings-on of the valley folk in comparison to Pedro's innocent live in the mountains. Incidentally, d'Albert was born in Glasgow to an English mother and a French father and studied under Stainer at the Royal College (although his music is very much better than that might suggest) and later with Liszt; I wonder when the Pomp and Circumstance brigade at TOP will claim him for Britain.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #977 on: 23:56:12, 06-09-2008 » |
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r and studied under Stainer at the Royal College (although his music is very much better than that might suggest)
A tribute to his tenacity, I'd say? Meanwhile I'd remembered that there is a Shepherd-Boy (treble) in TOSCA.... and the late-season mosquito that got into my bedroom buzzed in my ear enough to make me get up and post this invaluable info. Meanwhile the anti-mosquito thingummy can warm up and dismiss the little perisher
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #978 on: 00:54:42, 07-09-2008 » |
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A pastoral scene enacted at a Russian party
This is Pique Dame, I guess. Correct, Don B. Some clues: The story of the miraculously healed shepherd is also Russian. The person guided by a shepherd in a French opera is a Spanish person. The taciturn shepherd in another French opera is one of the few operatic shepherds who actually has some sheep with him. There are some good ones here including some operas that I've never even heard of!
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« Reply #979 on: 08:36:13, 07-09-2008 » |
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Harpy - your pair of disguised Handelian toffs might be Atalanta and (runs to consult London Handel Festival programme from earlier this year) Meleagro, in Atalanta. They go by the names of Amarilli and Tirsi respectively. However I'm not entirely sure they are in fact supposed to be shepherds - rather, bog-standard Arcadian peasants. Everybody else in the cast is a shepherd - namely Aminta, Irene and Irene's dad Nicandro.
And as for your reticent shepherd in another French opera - I think that's the one encountered by Yniold in Pelléas et Mélisande, though he isn't completely taciturn - he does have one line or thereabouts of bass solo.
Could the Mozart multi-shepherd extravaganza be Apollo et Hyacinthus? I'm thinking it must be, though I don't know it at all.
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen, Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir Den Himmel beßrer Zeiten mir erschlossen, Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür!
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« Reply #980 on: 12:13:30, 07-09-2008 » |
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I think Tirsis was meant to be disguised as a shepherd while Atalanta was disguised as your generic peasant, but I can't find my programme now The other disguised Handel toff was in an earlier year's Handel Festival "discovery" and was of Egyptian extraction. Well, the Pelleas shepherd isn't exactly voluble (though what more could he say in the circs?). Apollo and Hyacinthus certainly sounds as if it should feature shepherds but I don't know it at all either. The one I had in mind is (slightly) more mature work, this time with a sub-Virgilian plot, and featuring many prancing shepherds and shepherdesses IIRC.
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« Reply #981 on: 12:53:23, 07-09-2008 » |
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Re Atalanta, Grove Music Online says "preferring the pleasures of the hunt, {Atalanta}... lives in the woods under the name of Amarilli [Amaryllis]. Meleager, disguised as the shepherd Tirsi [Thyrsis], has followed her."
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« Reply #982 on: 12:58:51, 07-09-2008 » |
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APOLLON ET HYACINTH (titled in French - but the libretto is in Latin throughout) might sound bucolic and pastoral, but it's not about shepherds. It's a about an accidental death at a sporting challenge (discus-throwing), with a philosophical epilogue about the acceptance of death. The main parts (Apollo, Hyacinth (ehem, it's a male role), and Melia, his sister) are for trebles - Mozart's fellow-students at the Hochschule. The King (tenor), and two Priests of Apollo (basses) were presumably sung by the schoolmasters? A strangely sober work for the 11-year-old Mozart to have essayed, but rather effective. Whoever reworked the libretto for Mozart (from the original fable by Ovid) thoroughly deleted the homoerotic nature of the relationship between Apollo and Hyacinth, which might have added piquancy to the tale otherwise (Hyacinth is killed by Apollo's discus - allegedly because Zephyrus, God Of The Winds, was jealous of their intimacy and blew the discus off course). Zephyrus is punished at the end. King Ebulas - Dmtiry Khromov, Apollon - Svetlana Rossiyskaya(The Helikon Opera production above set the tale as a Victorian Parlour Story-Telling Reenactment of the fable. The ending hinged on Russia's most popular chocolate meringue brand being named "Zephyr" - they get their revenge on Zephyrus at the end by... eating the meringues )
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« Reply #983 on: 13:27:10, 07-09-2008 » |
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The story of the miraculously healed shepherd is also Russian.
News is brought by Pimen to Boris Godunov that a blind shepherd has been healed the tomb of Dimitri, and Boris gets all upset at the sound of new-fangled IT, like chiming clocks. (This is all by memory - do correct me if I'm wrong.) I would have thought Boris would be delighted for proof Dimitri is actually in heaven, rather than stirring up trouble in Poland with slimy Jesuits and manipulative mezzos. The person guided by a shepherd in a French opera is a Spanish person. Is this dear, sweet Michaela in Carmen finding her way to the smugglers' lair, so she can sing the most conventional, but lovely aria in the opera: Je dis, je ne rien m'epouvante. More baroque shepherds: Acis and Galatea is not really an opera, but Acis is definitely a shepherd. Endimione in La Calisto? Is Eumete in Monteverdi's Ulisse a shepherd, or just an old family retainer?
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« Reply #984 on: 21:10:19, 07-09-2008 » |
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Gosh, you can't see what's in front of your eyes, can you? But with the power of lateral thinking,and two different types of nice Italian Rosato later, I've noticed what Ruth and Reiner know perfectly well, and if Tony Watson was still with us he would have spotted like a flash, although you, dear harpy, might be not so au fait:
Phyllis and Strephon in Sullivan's Iolanthe are a Dresden shepherdess and shepherd (and in the case of the later, a fairy down to his waist.)
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« Reply #985 on: 21:20:35, 07-09-2008 » |
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Phyllis and Strephon in Sullivan's Iolanthe are a Dresden shepherdess and shepherd (and in the case of the later, a fairy down to his waist.)
Rataplan! You'd better send some of that Rosato over here, Don B! Black mark to me!! Still, a quick shuffle through my recent shows reminds me that BASTIEN ET BASTIENNE is a bucolic comedy (with a book by Rousseau, no less) in which two shepherd swain fall out of love, and back in again With the aid of a little ziggy-zaggy-doggy-daggy
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #986 on: 21:23:59, 07-09-2008 » |
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The resident sommelier informs me that the first bottle was really a very, very light rosso.
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« Reply #987 on: 01:06:16, 08-09-2008 » |
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There is of course Giacomo the shepherd in Verdi's Giovanna d'Arco (he added nonchalantly having consulted IGI in the Prom interval ).
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« Reply #988 on: 12:03:18, 08-09-2008 » |
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That's a lot of shepherds! I think you've got all the ones I was thinking of, except for the other Handel toff in shepherd guise (Tolomeo), the British one with a person brought up by a Germanic shepherd (Judith Weir's Blond Eckbert) and the early Mozart/Virgil shepherdfest (Ascanio in Alba). ETA the early baroque one I had in mind is Minerva disguised as a shepherd in Ulisse
Perhaps (following last night's Messiaen extravaganza) after we've exhausted the supply of shepherds we could do angels, angelic characters and angelic/heavenly/divine voices? I don't think it's such a fertile field as shepherds though if we allow oratorios there might be a few.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #989 on: 12:16:06, 08-09-2008 » |
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For some Germanic operatic angels:
Hansel and Gretel (or is that a Sandman?)
Pfitzner's Palestrina, whole chorus.
Can I suggest we leave oratorios until operas are finished? Oratorios without angels are just as frequent.
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