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Author Topic: GIOCONDA  (Read 733 times)
Parsifal1882
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« on: 16:18:21, 13-05-2007 »

Never saw GIOCONDA, unfortunately. Didn't ENO give a concert performance in Italian years ago?
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« Reply #1 on: 16:21:08, 13-05-2007 »

Oh, dear! I've started (by mistake, I swear) a GIOCONDA thread while trying to reply to a message in another thread!  Embarrassed
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« Reply #2 on: 16:36:29, 13-05-2007 »

Or keep this as is, if it gets many replies.

Has anyone ever seen it in this country.  I get the impression from Kobbe and the Met quiz that it is regarded as (slightly old fashioned) rep piece at the Met.  Is that fair?

For many kids in the 50s it The Dance of the Hours was probably the best known piece in the operatic rep, thanks to Disney and those hippos in tutus.
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« Reply #3 on: 17:09:26, 13-05-2007 »

'The Dance of the Hours' being my GIOCONDA killjoy, I always skip it (on CD, of course, as I've never seen it live). The ensembles are stupendous, even more so the finale. Anyone know the 1980s Domingo DVD with Marton in the title role? There are also a couple of new ones, including a performance from Verona. I plan to teach the Hugo play (ANGELO) at college next term and screen a DVD of the Ponchielli!
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« Reply #4 on: 17:52:39, 13-05-2007 »

I haven't seen it live but I've seen the DVD with Marton and Domingo. I think they're doing it next year at Holland Park, that refuge for otherwise-homeless operas. (They're doing "L'Amore dei Tre Re" this year for anyone who hasn't noticed.)
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« Reply #5 on: 17:55:53, 13-05-2007 »

I'm pretty certain that a Mercadante opera (Il giuramento ?) is based on the same play.
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« Reply #6 on: 20:20:30, 13-05-2007 »

I think budgetary constraints keep GIOCONDA off most stages - which is surprising, since it has a lot of magnificent music, some of it well-known enough to encourage box office sales to a wider public?   It's not only the difficulty/cost of hiring a cast able to sing it to the standards it deserves,  but also the scenery and special effects...   the idea of staging the end of Act II alone (where you have two different ships on-stage, one of which sinks in flames whilst the tenor jumps off the prow...) fills me with budgetary terror Wink

L'amo com'e'un fulgor del creato is one of the greatest soprano/mezzo conflict duets in the repertoire, and really needs heavyweight voices to accomplish it successfully.

Conversely I can entirely see the point of Holland Park Opera doing it - you simply say "ok, we are going to solve all these problems a different way to normal, because we have to", and work from there.  I bet it will sell out every night - it certainly deserves to, and good luck to them for trying.
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« Reply #7 on: 18:39:57, 30-05-2007 »

Ho!
I've been absent for a while and missed this thread.  I saw Gioconda in Liverpool with my brother when I was over here many years ago.  It was done by an amateur/semi pro company and they made a very good job of it.  The reason I went to see it was because I was preparing the very satisfying part of Enzo at that time and I must confess that this opera became a particular favourite of mine.  I have always thought of it as superb theatrical entertainment calling for total belief and commitment from the cast.
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« Reply #8 on: 18:58:14, 30-05-2007 »

Welcome back, Soundwave - you were missed!

So, tell us - did you ever get to make the head-first dive into the briny in Act II ?  I can't easily think how this could be staged whilst avoiding the word "naff"...   is it possible? Wink
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« Reply #9 on: 19:01:08, 30-05-2007 »

Another equally underrated Boito is Mefistofele: what do you think of it?
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« Reply #10 on: 20:03:48, 30-05-2007 »

Ho Reiner.  No diving,  but amid flames, noise, confusion etc emitting, fortissimo,  " Sin ch'io vivo, no, al nemico darem cenere e brage  -   (throws burning brand - sometimes strips of orange cloth waving on end for flames - quite effective - into hold, on occasions through cabin door)  Incendio!!!  O Laura addio.  O Laura -     g Bb e f  - runs and vaults one handed over upstage bulwarks.  Curtain.  One very young producer wanted me to dive over onto cushioned low platform but it wasn't as effective as the vault. 
God, those were the days.   
Dinner calls.  Back later.
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« Reply #11 on: 22:59:18, 30-05-2007 »

Gad, such heroism, SW!  Smiley  It I guess Enzo must have been the Errol Flynn of his era? 

MEPHISTOPHELE (Boito, who was also the librettist of GICONDA, for anyone who missed Parsifal's link...) is an extraordinary piece, isn't it?   Has anyone ever seen it staged?   I know a lot of the music in bits and pieces and extracts, but I wonder how it would hang together as a complete piece in the theatre?   It seems strange that it's so neglected?  There is the accusation of a "Wagnerian" tendency in the work, which was behind the street protests against it at the premiere...  does anyone really hear them, because I don't much?
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« Reply #12 on: 15:54:02, 31-05-2007 »

Ho!.  Tremendous heroism, Reiner.  Why was I not awarded medals?
Mefistofele:  I've not encountered this but I saw a TV performance with Ramey and Gabriela Benacková a few years ago.  The first scene was superb but I found the whole thing a bit unbalanced and patchy despite the lovely soprano aria and a reasonable tenor part.  It is certainly worth seeing once.
The "Wagner tendency" criticism is unwarranted and, as you will well know, was a pretty commonplace response to many works.
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« Reply #13 on: 22:36:37, 01-06-2007 »

I've seen a concert performance of Mephistofele (by Chelsea Opera in about 1990, with Richard Van Allan in the title role), but never a staging - from what I remember it's an impressive piece live, and did seem to hang together.  Like Soundwave I don't know where the Wagnerian tag comes from, although there is a rather cheeky quote from Der fliegende Hollander at one point.

I would have thought that setting the prologue in heaven was the ultimate challenge for the designer, let alone the producer ...
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« Reply #14 on: 09:23:55, 02-06-2007 »

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I would have thought that setting the prologue in heaven was the ultimate challenge for the designer, let alone the producer

Oh, a bit of white gauze, some bright lights, 2-3 "Biggol" Mosquito Nets (5.99, IKEA), say 60 quid for the whole thing - when do we start? Wink

Personally I'd be more worried about the Witches Sabbath,  but we can save the other 85 nicker for that  Cheesy

Who else is interested in later verismo...   for example Leoni's L'ORACOLO?  (The only opera to begin with the sound of a cock crowing, as far as I know?   Well, there's 40 quid of the budget gone already...  Wink )
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