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Author Topic: The Mask of Orpheus  (Read 534 times)
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« on: 14:13:40, 01-08-2007 »

Just started listening to this to get myself in the mood for "The Minotaur" (I realise I've got a while yet). Am having trouble picturing the staging and wondered if anyone had seen it?
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« Reply #1 on: 15:52:07, 01-08-2007 »

I'm afraid I "just missed" MASK OF ORPHEUS, as I had just left ENO at the time, and was elsewhere Sad 

It's a great pity no video record was kept of the performance (at least, I'm not aware of one?).
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« Reply #2 on: 16:09:17, 01-08-2007 »

There probably was, Reiner; when I was there, every production was committed to video (for revivals' sake as much as anything - stops those "I sang the aria dead centre without any movement" " No you didn't, you were DSL doing a quick-step" arguments). However, due to union restrictions, the picture only was recorded: the soundtrack was provided by some poor soul such as HRB banging out a sightread accompaniment and simultaneously sketching in some semblance of the vocal parts. Repect! (Particularly if they had to do this for that piece.)
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« Reply #3 on: 16:19:49, 01-08-2007 »

HRB, Ron? Whoever it is, those people are some of the unsung heroes of opera production!
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« Reply #4 on: 16:27:00, 01-08-2007 »

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some poor soul such as HRB banging out a sightread accompaniment

And all that red hair flying-about everywhere meantime!  Respect from me too - she dragged around doing touring FIDELIO and AIDA productions with me too.

As the "new boy" I always got assigned to the old warhorse shows (that bloody BARBER OF SEVILLE, for example) which didn't have video records,  and which Malcolm Hunter and I revived from Malcolm's memory of what it looked like before.  "I have authentically reproduced all the *%&%* devised by the show's original producer, and suppressed all personal desire to improve it" MH declared to Harewood after the DR Wink

I wonder why Covent Garden (who had commissioned THE MASK OF ORPHEUS in the first place) got cold feet about staging the piece once HB had completed it?  
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« Reply #5 on: 16:29:22, 01-08-2007 »

Just started listening to this to get myself in the mood for "The Minotaur" (I realise I've got a while yet). Am having trouble picturing the staging and wondered if anyone had seen it?

It's a long time ago but my recollection is of relatively simple ritualistic and 'hieratic' (is that the word?) movement and stage setting with brilliantly imaginative use of lighting and changing backdrop. I seem to remember most clearly a spectacular fiery sun slowly sinking as Philip Langridge's Orpheus moved almost as slowly and timelessly in silhouette in front to it. The whole thing looked glorious, rich reds and yellows, occasionally cropped brutally by black. Most of the singers and actors were masked. In fact I have a feeling everyone was masked including the three main protagonists (Orpheus, Euridice and Aristaeus) but am ready to be corrected on that. Each of these main characters was represented three times over by a singer, a puppet (with their own off-stage singer?) and a mime, often sumultaneously and, as many actions were repeated as well, you got many different views of the same event both spatially and across time. It was very much ritual, I was going was going to say as opposed to a drama but that isn't right. Ritual drama/ dramatic ritual (and it ruddy well worked as such too, even if we had all just come in out of 20th century London and went back out into it again afterwards). Marie Angel as The Oracle of the Dead had a spectacular 'costume' which occupied a large part of the stage IIRC and was quite alarming in itself. Big set-piece sections with the stage full of richly costumed 'archetypal' figures, contrasted with sometimes a single character (usually Langridge who was just superhuman in the part) alone on a vast stage.

I can remember the general visual 'effect' of the staging and the deliberate slow gestural movements but not so much the detail. Maybe others who saw it can remember rather better?

  
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« Reply #6 on: 17:07:10, 01-08-2007 »

HRB, Ron? Whoever it is, those people are some of the unsung heroes of opera production!

exactly, & I found it a pretty unrewarding, badly paid,  near enough soul-destroying experience that demands tons of work that nobody really appreciates Sad ...but you do learn 'maximum for the minimum' piano playing  Wink

rant over, no, I missed the Mask of Orpheus as well, sorry

 
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« Reply #7 on: 17:11:08, 01-08-2007 »

...but you do learn 'maximum for the minimum' piano playing  Wink


You do, and (having done quite a bit of it myself in the past) also you certainly get to know the opera(s) extremely well!
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« Reply #8 on: 17:18:07, 01-08-2007 »


You do, and (having done quite a bit of it myself in the past) also you certainly get to know the opera(s) extremely well!

oh really? yes, it's true much thus acquired operatic repertoire still haunts me to this day... which is why I avoid the "What did I dream last night..." thread , like, as they say,  a composer to an opera singer   
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« Reply #9 on: 17:20:21, 01-08-2007 »


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Let's go on with the show!


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« Reply #10 on: 20:42:54, 01-08-2007 »

Thank you everyone, especially George and opilec - sounds as if the action might have a been easier to take in when you saw it than it is from reading the two (2) booklets in extremely small print that accompany the CDs! He's quite into Greek tragedies isn't he so I suppose the masks and ritual might come from that, though not the idea of having several representations of the same character.

Am quite enjoying the sounds though, and the words are agreeably audible.
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« Reply #11 on: 14:50:19, 03-08-2007 »

Crumbs, that sounds like a job and a half you had, opilec, or perhaps two jobs. On the plus side, not everyone would be able to tell if the copyists had made a mistake Wink or am I being a Philistine?

Yes, I think I'll have a good listen to the CDs first and then tackle the booklets afterwards, with a magnifying glass. So far, the fact that the myth is so familiar is quite helpful to deriving a vague idea about (some of) what's going on from the words.
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« Reply #12 on: 18:34:29, 03-08-2007 »

...but you do learn 'maximum for the minimum' piano playing  Wink
You do, and (having done quite a bit of it myself in the past) also you certainly get to know the opera(s) extremely well!
In Germany it's also the standard route to a conducting career, so swings and roundabouts...
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« Reply #13 on: 21:47:51, 03-08-2007 »

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In Germany it's also the standard route to a conducting career, so swings and roundabouts...

And Britain.  I can't readily think of any Brit conductors - especially opera conductors, but not only - who haven't come up through the route of repetiteur work.

Whereas in Russia I can only think of about two who have.
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« Reply #14 on: 22:12:56, 03-08-2007 »

Gardiner has conducted a fair few operas as well, and I'm not aware of him ever having been a repetiteur.
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