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Swan_Knight
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« on: 15:36:48, 23-08-2007 »

Now that the poor man has been posthumously 'outed', maybe we ought to turn our attention away from the bedroom and concentrate instead on his work....Culshaw is known as the mastermind behind Decca's influential 'sonicstage' recordings of the late fifties and sixties.  His idea was to turn operas into 'movies for the ears', with the sound effects enhancing the feel of a live performance.  Purist have never had much time for this, arguing that Culshaw's inserted 'effects' detracted from the music....and the fact that opera recordings since the mid-eighties have tended to eschew Culshaw-style sound effects would imply that his approach to recording is now somewhat outdated.

Personally, I couldn't disagree more.....I want to hear something that sounds like a theatre, not a concert, performance.  For me, Solti's Gotterdammerung will always have the edge over better-conducted ones, largely because of Culshaw's contribution.  Don't you just get goose-pimples when you hear the Gibichung Hall collapse?  And that clap of thunder just before the Waltraute scene?

He could be OTT, though, and for an example of what I mean, just listen to the start of the second disc of Solti's Elektra (otherwise, a recording without equal, for me.  And Klytemnestra's death will always give me chills...)

But does anyone else think the Solti Rheingold now sound very elderly: those anvils don't make much of a noise to my ears.  And Donner's hammer is an over-rated moment, imo.

What does everyone else think?
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« Reply #1 on: 19:48:16, 23-08-2007 »


Personally, I couldn't disagree more.....I want to hear something that sounds like a theatre, not a concert, performance. 

Completely agree with you there, SK! 

I personally wonder how much longer purely "sound" recordings of operas will have a future?  The sound on dvd is now of the same quality, and you have the entire visual production to see too.  And for those who say they prefer to "imagine" a more perfectly-realised production, well then you simply listen to the sound of the dvd only  Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: 20:07:19, 23-08-2007 »

I don’t think the anvils ever made as powerful a sound as some have claimed; I don’t think it’s a question of age.

On balance, I like the effects that Culshaw used in the Solti Ring (which ones do you think are better conducted, SK?). But sometimes I’m not so sure. One of the singers in the Ride of the Valkyries said that she sounded as though she were singing in a tunnel. It’s obvious what she means when you hear it. I know she’s meant to be backstage and using a type of megaphone (I think?) but it could have been made to sound a bit more natural.

When new technology comes in, such as CDs or digital radio, all sorts of claims are made for it before it settles down into a more realistic usage and stereo was no exception. There was a fashion for telling the singers where to stand, not just left and right but forwards and backwards, and moving them around on something rather like a chess board. I always thought the end result was less than the sum of its parts but I still like to hear good use of left and right.

For me, a studio recording with a sense of the theatre is the ideal. For that reason, a favourite of mine is the Naxos Barber of Seville, the one with the slamming doors. No big stars but there’s a real feel of the opera house about it.

Just a final thought. Culshaw in his anecdotes often complained about prima donna behaviour by singers and players. I wonder whether he was ever guilty likewise.
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« Reply #3 on: 20:08:03, 23-08-2007 »

I prefer live recordings. Opera is a stage art and I want to hear what's happening on stage.

I would be wonderful if this old gadget would return in our homes:



Greatest advantage: people can't call you on the telephone when you're connected to the opera house.



Those were the days...

Also very useful for people who don't want to leave their bedrooms because they want to write large autobiographical novels.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: 20:38:40, 23-08-2007 »

Apologies for some of my first post going missing...I've edited it now, so that it makes proper sense.

I've heard performances by Furtwangler and Knappertsbusch that are better conducted than Solti's but no other recording has the same cumulative power.  And Culshaw's production is, arguably, responsible for this.

I get the impression Culshaw wasn't that much of a diva....just someone who worked with divas (of both sexes).  Unless, that is, he used to lord it over his engineers, but I don't get the impression he did this.  I'm sure the story he tells about Birgit Nilsson objecting to the first Gotterdammerung pressings ('I sound like a weak Pamina!') annoyed her.

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« Reply #5 on: 22:30:24, 23-08-2007 »

Something of what I meant about placing singers as though on a chess board can be seen here at 1 min 10 sec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0dbz4e3PHo&mode=related&search=

Someone takes her music and stand away so that she can step forwards and then back. It's not an effect I would have noticed on the recording. But look at the floor and you can see the markings.

Culshaw can also be seen at 5 min 55 sec. He reminds me in this clip of a Thunderbirds puppet for some reason.
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« Reply #6 on: 08:22:03, 24-08-2007 »

I especially like the way she's kept her fur-trimmed jacket on for the occasion Wink
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« Reply #7 on: 09:08:33, 24-08-2007 »

I think the use of technology in recordings is justified where it reveals more of the music than otherwise.  Some listeners may like a record to replicate what they would hear  from the 'best seat in the house. But I don't think a record needs to emulate a concert-hall or theatre sound.

I thought about this earlier today when listening to Richard Hickox' CHandos recording of 'The Banks of Green Willow' where the first and second violins sound much more widely separated  than they would sound in a concert hall,unless you were on the podium.But I welcomed it because it puts you inside the music and able to hear the inner parts  so  clearly.

It was the rich and distinct orchestral detail which first thrilled me in the Decca Ring,end even today,when some of the singing sounds frankly not too wonderful,it is the glorious playing of the VPO which for me is still the main feature of the set.
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