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Author Topic: Love And Other Demons - Peter Eotvos  (Read 2204 times)
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« Reply #45 on: 15:42:55, 15-07-2008 »

Tinners, I know we'd talked about a group trip, ages ago, but it now looks as if I'll be away for the whole of August. So I won't be able to go, let alone transport you, George or anyone else to Glyndebourne. But I think much earlier in the thread there is discussion of various means of getting there via Lewes and the G'bourne minibuses?
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« Reply #46 on: 16:38:51, 15-07-2008 »

getting there via Lewes and the G'bourne minibuses?

I had friends in the cast of last year's Festival, and they had no transportation of their own... and there are many other performers (especially from overseas, who don't own cars in the UK) in the same situation.  If it works for them, it'll work for you...  after all, without the cast there wouldn't be a show Wink

Prepare yourself morally, though, Tinners - the Glyndebourne audience are the people who own Britain. If you ever laughed-off stories about the world being run by a conspiracy of bankers, lawyers, arms-dealers and politicians, Glyndebourne may give you pause to reconsider  Grin   However, I presume that the Eotvos piece might attract a slightly less conventional crowd...  I wonder if the Dress Code will be in force for this piece?    But do enter into the spirit of the thing, take a picnic,  and enjoy it for what it is, especially if you've shelled out your own spondulicks for a ticket Smiley   In its own strange and unreal way, it's very charming...  although I'm uncomfortable with a lot of it,  the unerring sharp focus on doing things to the highest achievable performance standards without regard to what it costs is (probably) admirable Smiley

But your first time there is a bit like the experience that the Revolutionaries had when they broke-down the doors of the Winter Palace in St Petersburg in 1917,  and saw "how the other half had been living" Wink  Well, partly that, and partly like being an on-set extra in MISS MARPLE INVESTIGATES AGAIN.

The few times I have been, I've managed to wangle a Dress Rehearsal Pass  (at one point they were trying to head-hunt me - like a twit I politely demurred out of mistaken loyalty to the music-hall down St Martin's Lane) and that's a slightly different thing.

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« Reply #47 on: 16:43:46, 15-07-2008 »

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HAMPSHIRE?!!
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« Reply #48 on: 16:49:16, 15-07-2008 »

HAMPSHIRE?!!

I thought you'd like that, o Green One Smiley   I merely cut-and-paste - others must answer for the content thereof.

They probably thought it was part of the Eastleigh Egg-And-Spoon-Race Smiley

Don't forget to get some business cards, Tinners - you'll need a name like Fenella, Phaedra, Penelope, Gus, Alastair or Tremayne to fit in with your new friends Wink

PS Tinners, you've probably known this since you were seven, but nonetheless - Britten's ALBERT HERRING (notably the first act) was (allegedly) written to satirise the world of Glyndebourne and the people who work there, run it and own it.  The Christie family - who had unwittingly commissioned it from Britten - were so mortally offended by the barely-veiled sideswipe at their feudal fiefdom that they were in high dudgeon with the composer for years afterwards, and never really forgave him for it (nor, indeed, allowed it to be staged at Glyndebourne either).
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« Reply #49 on: 17:13:16, 15-07-2008 »

I don't know if there are any tickets still available at the lower price, but there was a special offer for under 30s on Love and Other Demons http://www.glyndebourne.com/tickets/under_30s/

As to getting there, the performance schedule on the Glyndebourne website suggests a train from Victoria to Lewes (which will be met by a fleet of chartered buses).  If yo arrive earlier than that, it's perfectly possible to pick up a taxi from Lewes station, and the fare isn't actually much more than that for the bus when there's two of you (and gives you more time to wander aroudn the grounds before the performance if you wish).  Similarly there are buses back to the station after the performance, which should arrive shortly beofre a train is due to depart for Victoria.  I believe that in the event of problems on the trains, they have been known to send the buses to pick-up/drop-off at Haywards Heath or other suitable alternative.
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« Reply #50 on: 17:51:48, 15-07-2008 »

The almost the only thing I remember about the audience the only time we went there to see/hear The Second Mrs Kong, was that a large number of them were not there for part two.

We brought our own smoked salmon sandwiches (wholemeal homemade bread, probably, and no butter) and tried to get a bottle of wine in the interval, and to our surprise found the staff were as sweetly vague and impractical as National Trust volunteers, and indeed the same sort of people.

I would know better than to drink in the interval of a Birtwhistle opera now.

I was not remotely intimidated.

The theatre is wonderful.

Hope it doesn't rain when you go.
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« Reply #51 on: 17:52:25, 15-07-2008 »

  But do enter into the spirit of the thing, take a picnic,  and enjoy it for what it is, especially if you've shelled out your own spondulicks for a ticket Smiley   In its own strange and unreal way, it's very charming...  although I'm uncomfortable with a lot of it,  the unerring sharp focus on doing things to the highest achievable performance standards without regard to what it costs is (probably) admirable Smiley

I really have to agree, RT. It's a bit of a culture shock if you're not prepared for it, but Glyndebourne somehow manages to be charming and impressive despite the toff quotient. For me, that's because, even today (and witness this year), and despite the conservative nature of the Festival core audience, they still commission a respectable amount of new work, they have admirable education and outreach projects, they (as you say) produce everything to a pretty damn high standard - and they do it all without a penny of public subsidy. Good for them.
The ONLY way to enjoy it is to join in the parody of the experience that these people themselves seem to indulge in these days. The grounds are quite exceptionally beautiful. Pick yo picnic with care.  Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: 18:30:53, 15-07-2008 »

and tried to get a bottle of wine in the interval, and to our surprise found the staff were as sweetly vague and impractical as National Trust volunteers, and indeed the same sort of people.

I would know better than to drink in the interval of a Birtwhistle opera now.

In the Good Olde Dayes when young Reiner still had red glasses (yes, I'm afraid so, but I had them before Christopher Biggins) and some residual amount of cred, the "done thing" by people in the know (by whom I mean the Glyndebourne Admin Staff who'd invited me) was to tether your champagne bottle to a piece of rope, anchor it to the bank by means of a one of those pins for securing guy-ropes on tents, and then plopping it gently into the water.  You'd then leave it there to chill, set out your picnic spot (rather in the manner of German holidaymakers at Alicante), and toodle-off to watch Act I.  By the time of the Long Interval, your champagne ought to be optimally frais.  Of course, this may all have changed since then - but I can't imagine you are actually forbidden to take your own wine, when bringing of your own picnic is such an integral part (indeed, for some people it's the main attraction..) of the Glyndebourne Experience?

I went to Garsington two years ago, which I found to be considerably more anally-retentive than the very thing on which it was modelled (ie Glyndebourne).  The Garsington mob seem much more obsessed with the Parade of the Parvenus than Glyndebourne, which has nothing to "prove" on that score.  The musical level was frankly barely above Holland Park Opera, and the performing conditions rather worse (a very tacky plastic tent).  However, the hooooooorsepitality, my dear, was something quite extraordinary.  It poured with rain all afternoon, so we found ourselves in tents set up for shelter.  Our neighbours - who were quite nice, and the only people who didn't obviously shun us - were French.  When I asked them if they'd had a difficult journey,  they replied that they'd just flown directly to Garsington - their private plane was at an airstrip 10 minutes walk down the lane.  "Will you be staying long in Britain?" I asked, to which they replied they'd only come for the opera and the picnic, and then would be flying back to the Dordogne.  I'd been invited at the last minute, and didn't have a DJ with me - I was, quite literally, the only man at the entire event who wasn't wearing one, and worse still I was in a powder blue suit.   DER STEIN DES WEISENS has, err, three numbers by Mozart, which is why they'd done it for the Mozart jubilee year.  "We didn't want to be, ehem, so obvious as all the others!" they told me...   You can instantly hear why this opera has rested in well-deserved obscurity for so long...  the "Stork from Butter Test" was a pretty easy game to spot.

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« Reply #53 on: 19:07:51, 15-07-2008 »

Getting there by train is no problem.  Every day in summer there is a significant presence of dressed-up people wandering around Victoria station.  I think the "unusual" productions are often more dressed-down than for standard repertoire - I noticed a difference between Handel and Mozart.  But "dressed-down" is still dressy by normal concert standards.  For men I'd stick to a suit.  Usually half-to-two-thirds of the men seem to be in DJs or kilts.  And if you ever wanted to wear a formal kimono, dashiki, barong or tangzhuang this is your chance.

I echo David Underdown's advice about going early and getting a taxi (or, if you know anyone in the company and the company vans aren't full, you may be able to sneak on one).  If the weather's good the gardens are a delight to wander around with a pre-show coffee (the "long bar" makes very good espresso drinks at normal coffee bar prices).  For a good picnic location, don't stay on the formal lawn in front of the old house - go down the stretch of lawn with a field of sheep on the right and the lake on the left (as your back is to the house).  That area keeps the sun for longest in the evening.

More likely scenario: if the weather's miserable, getting there early gives you a better chance of grabbing a sheltered spot for your picnic.  There are some tables on the highest terrace, but they fill very quickly; there are some benches on every level that go slightly less quickly but still aren't enough to accommodate everyone who's not splashing out on a restaurant, and it's not much fun to sit on the brick floor.  It's quite amusing to watch all the bejewelled and betuxed toffs scrambling for the last few seats, but only if you have one already yourself!

It's a long day out, so bring enough food (bearing in mind you'll have to take your rubbish away with you).  There's an M&S in Victoria if you can't prepare ahead.  Bringing your own wine is positively encouraged.  If you've decided to abstain during the show, there's a decent off-license across from Lewes station that last year was staying open late enough for people (mostly chorus and players) to get a bottle for the journey back.  If you return on the front train carriage you may have a chance to talk with said singers/players about the production.

Have fun!  It's an enjoyable bubble as long as you treat it as a decadent little holiday from the real world.  The trouble starts when you realise that for some people, that kind of thing is the real world...
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« Reply #54 on: 19:27:38, 15-07-2008 »

The Christie family - who had unwittingly commissioned it from Britten - were so mortally offended by the barely-veiled sideswipe at their feudal fiefdom that they were in high dudgeon with the composer for years afterwards, and never really forgave him for it (nor, indeed, allowed it to be staged at Glyndebourne either).

Strange then that this coming Saturday's performance at Glyndebourne advertises itself as the 75th performance either there or on tour by Glyndebourne Touring Opera?

The thing about the toffery is that everyone there thinks that everybody else (except themselves) is an appalling toff so everyone goes round scowling and giving their best Jacobin glare to people who are, of course, doing the same back and for the same reason. My theory is that there are no toffs there at all but lots of opera-loving proletarian non-toffs who have saved up to be there.

So no one except me is going on 13th then. Cry 
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« Reply #55 on: 20:31:34, 15-07-2008 »

Strange then that this coming Saturday's performance at Glyndebourne advertises itself as the 75th performance either there or on tour by Glyndebourne Touring Opera?


I think subsequent generations of Christies have come round to the idea that it was a backhanded compliment to have been immortalised in Britten's opera, although John Christie was implacable on the matter.  It was Sir George Christie who allowed the piece back - and clearly his son Gus Christie thinks rather the same. Wink

I suppose having an opera house in your Stately English home beats pawning the Bechstein grand, you can put it to use instead... and if you have to have the beastly public coming round the place, at least you haven't got to feed lions and tigers all winter long like the Thynns have to Wink

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« Reply #56 on: 09:44:37, 16-07-2008 »

Some more advice on getting there.

This year the bus is still £6 for the round trip.  However, it's now £6 EVEN IF YOU ONLY TAKE IT ONE WAY, as I discovered last week when I arrived at the pick-up point after Eugene Onegin having earlier arrived by cab after missing the recommended train on the outward journey  Angry

If there are three or more of you, it will be the same price or less to take a cab both ways.  Book in advance (once you're on the train should suffice) and if possible, ask to be collected from the exit into the Lewes station car park - a direct exit from the platform at which the London train arrives.  (If you're getting the coach, you will need to take the main exit.)  However, as David says, one major advantage of taking the coach is that if there is a known problem with the last London train from Lewes on the return journey, you'll automatically be taken somewhere where you can get a train.  This policy has worked in my favour on two occasions in the past.

In terms of getting to Lewes in the first place, if you are travelling from London you will probably find that the cheapest option is to use Southern Trains' Daysave ticket, which gives you a day's unlimited offpeak travel on all Southern services for £10.  To obtain such a ticket you need to register with the Southern Trains website (www.southernrailway.com) and book the ticket at least 7 days in advance.  The price undercuts an ordinary return fare from Victoria, even with a railcard discount.
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« Reply #57 on: 18:43:02, 16-07-2008 »

From the horse's mouth

http://www.glyndebourne.com/information/visiting_glyndebourne/
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« Reply #58 on: 23:46:18, 16-07-2008 »

I would know better than to drink in the interval of a Birtwhistle opera now.
I know this is off-topic, but for a while as an undergraduate I was under the impression that our library contained NO Birtwhistle scores. I was right, because as it turns out, Birtwhistle is really Birtwistle and has no H in it, and has nothing to do with whistling.

Don't mean to single you out, DB, but to share an anecdote of my stubborn density.
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« Reply #59 on: 11:19:09, 17-07-2008 »

Don't mean to single you out, DB, but to share an anecdote of my stubborn density.

That's all right, o galloping long legged slug.  My spelling is dodgy at the best of times.
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