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Author Topic: Agrippina  (Read 2377 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 21:50:23, 18-02-2007 »

In a rather different way this is every bit as good as the ENO XERXES of a decade-and-a-half ago - it deserves to make it to DVD, and I certainly hope it does Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: 09:03:07, 19-02-2007 »

Unsure if handel would have approved, though as he was a bachelor, maybe he would  Smiley

btw, the handel museum is well worth a visit Wink
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« Reply #17 on: 19:02:26, 19-02-2007 »

I read a theory that Handel was what used to be called a "confirmed" bachelor, i.e. gay, but I don't think there was much evidence to support it. Anyway the old boy seemed to have a sense of humour so I expect he would have liked it.
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« Reply #18 on: 09:03:52, 21-02-2007 »

He was in love with god, went to church twice a day and all that.
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« Reply #19 on: 12:56:13, 21-02-2007 »

I read a theory that Handel was what used to be called a "confirmed" bachelor, i.e. gay, but I don't think there was much evidence to support it. Anyway the old boy seemed to have a sense of humour so I expect he would have liked it.

Jonathan Keates' Handel, the man and his music, pub 1985 considers the possibility of the great man being not as other men, and comments that it can't possibly be the case as he was so sympathetic to the experience of women in his operas.

Hm, that could be used as evidence the other way.

As could the enthusiastic churchgoing

And living most of his adult life far away from his native land

And outdoing prima donnas in hizzy fits

I don't suppose he was, you know, doing anything you couldn't tell your aunt, but compare him with that respectable husband and father, J S Bach, and there's something about him...

(I would not stoop to include the winking smiley.  Too naff.)

I'm going to Agrippina next week.  I'm looking forward to it.
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« Reply #20 on: 18:08:45, 21-02-2007 »

You won't regret a moment spent at AGRIPPINA, Don B :-)  One of the best things I've seen in London in a very long time!   Also the first time I've seen a surtitle that wouldn't pass the profanity filter on this message-board! ;-)  (Think Quentin Tarantino...)  But absolutely justified.  Singing to die for.  I would personally have preferred it conducted with a bit more impetus,  but it's by no means flaccid.  Although it runs for 4 hours, there's not a single longeur - but worth taking (or ordering) some sandwiches for the interval Wink
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« Reply #21 on: 13:16:42, 22-02-2007 »

I'll let you know how my innocent ear takes it next week.  Thanks for the tip about sandwiches.  I rarely get that much out of an opera where I know none of the music, but that is not likely to be a problem with Handel.  I have been trying to get to know, if not actually love, Monteverdi's Poppea, so Aggripinna may make an interesting comparison.

I believe it is the only opera, or at least one of few, Handel wrote for Italy.  I wonder if that allowed him or his librettist to be more outrageous that London audiences were likely to appreciate?
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« Reply #22 on: 13:24:28, 22-02-2007 »

try it,best handel opera i have seen yet.... they jazz it up a bit so is a fun night Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: 13:53:31, 22-02-2007 »

Thanks for all this - I'm going tomorrow and was already looking forward to it!
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« Reply #24 on: 16:45:56, 22-02-2007 »

For anyone who hasn't got their ticket yet, there is a special offer here:

http://www.gramophone.co.uk/newsletter/050207_newsletter_ENO.htm

However it would have to be a bit more special than that before I could afford the top-price tickets Cheesy
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« Reply #25 on: 16:40:07, 24-02-2007 »

I just LOVED Agrippina!! I especially loved the scene in the 'nightclub', with the unforgettable line, "What do I see? Poppaea drunk among the flowers!", which I am absolutel sure was not in Handel's original libretto!
For anyone who didn't see this....or am I spoiling it for you?
Well, it's set in a 'nightclub', and there is a 'grand piano', which turns out to be a harpsichord! I mean, a harpischordist come on to play it, although in the costume of a night-club pianist, before Poppaea drunkenly goes into her big number...it was WONDERFUL!! Quite rightly, he got a special curtain call at the end!
The Ottone almost reconciled me to the existence of counter-tenors!
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« Reply #26 on: 17:50:26, 24-02-2007 »

I especially loved the scene in the 'nightclub', with the unforgettable line, "What do I see? Poppaea drunk among the flowers!", which I am absolutel sure was not in Handel's original libretto!

Well, it says here "Poppea tra i fior riposa" so I suppose that's a loose translation! Glad you enjoyed it.

Have programmed the recorder for tonight's Wagner by the way so fingers crossed.

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« Reply #27 on: 19:42:39, 24-02-2007 »

The night-club harpsichordist was a marvellous idea, and it resolved the idea of that huge harpsichord obligatto in that aria at the same time :-)   And it was played (in both senses) marvellously, as a seedy club entertainer in a lurex jacket and white ruff shirt, who keeps the cigarette wedged between his lips for the duration of his extended solo, pausing only at cadences to take a puff Wink  Top stuff :-)
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« Reply #28 on: 18:34:18, 25-02-2007 »

The night-club harpsichordist was a marvellous idea, and it resolved the idea of that huge harpsichord obligatto in that aria at the same time :-)   And it was played (in both senses) marvellously, as a seedy club entertainer in a lurex jacket and white ruff shirt, who keeps the cigarette wedged between his lips for the duration of his extended solo, pausing only at cadences to take a puff Wink  Top stuff :-)

yea, was clever that, and nero sniffing the coke before the high pitched speed aria Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: 10:45:30, 03-03-2007 »

Well, thank you everyone, I went on Thursday night and thoroughly enjoyed it.

La Connolly was magnificent, and the Poppea and Nerone fine.

Much of the business was witty and apt (the night club has already been mentioned, and Nerone sniffing a line of coke before launching into the fiendish coloratura,) but there were times when I found the camp rather relentless and could have done with more subtlety.  (Ottone's second entrance number was accompanied by two dancers in military uniform doing a Morecombe and Wise routine.  It was very funny but it would have have been more telling to confine it to the da capo repeat, IMO.  Also Claudius practicing golf swings when - insincerely - assuring Agrippinna of his love was a bit much.)

I was impressed by Reno Troilus as Ottone.  He threw off the coloratura with assurance, and I thought had a lovely tone in the lyrical sections.  His body language was telling - jaunty at first, depressed when let down, and shattered when he emerged from hiding chez Poppea.

Incidentally, I am sure I recognised the music of Agrippina's first aria - where did Handel re-use it?  Juno's final aria in Semele?
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