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I should think the percentage of the audience that understand must be infinitesimal, as the vast majority have either never learned ancient Greek at all, or else did a bit 99 years ago like me. They can't want people to understand, surely. In fact, perhaps the characters are just going "rhubarb rhubarb" in Greek?  |
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In fact, perhaps the characters are just going "rhubarb rhubarb" in Greek? Talking of which, SATYAGRAHA is Opera On 3 this Saturday... |
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Peregrinus expectavi pedes meos in cymbalis est!
(I'm amazed by the number of apparently serious translations of this gibberish I've seen. As yet I haven't found one translating it as 'my hovercraft is full of eels' but I'm sure it won't be long...)
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They can't want people to understand, surely. In fact, perhaps the characters are just going "rhubarb rhubarb" in Greek? But you will have an advantage over the rest of us in having fluent Harpy, Harpy? |
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« Reply #110 on: 16:51:59, 17-04-2008 » |
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That's true, George, and I'm particularly looking forward to that bit. We harpies are a bit under-represented in opera, as far as I know?
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Anyone else going to the performance tomorrow (Mon 21 April)? Am hoping to be there.
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« Reply #112 on: 13:27:27, 21-04-2008 » |
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# 93 Hi, Ruth. I e-mailed a Greek friend, researching in Cyprus, re your query:
lo dike Paneitha
lo = I want dike = justice Paneitha = most likely meaning is "shown"
"I want justice to be shown"
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« Reply #113 on: 13:41:44, 21-04-2008 » |
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Thanks Stanley!
It makes perfect sense, given the context and the way it is set - it's a sort of mantra for Theseus before he kills the Minotaur.
I'm off to see ENO's Punch & Judy this evening at the Young Vic. Anybody else going?
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« Reply #114 on: 13:46:26, 21-04-2008 » |
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I'm off to see ENO's Punch & Judy this evening at the Young Vic. Anybody else going?
Yes! Me and DonB ... A friend who saw The Minotaur on Saturday tells me a lot of the Greek was inaccurate (or at least, the transcription of it in the surtitles was verifiably so). Some other comments as well, but I'll wait till others (including myself!) have seen it before divulging. |
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« Reply #115 on: 13:49:18, 21-04-2008 » |
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8 o'clock South, 8 o'clock South
I'll be there. Some enchanted evening you may see a stranger across a crowded studio theatre.
Wonder if Harry B will be there too?
Just seen tinner's post. My laptop is the speed of an elephant etc.
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Or at the speed of a sick cockroach DB? I don't really miss London these days - and I aint tired of life, believe me -but a few concerts or theatre attractions do encourage me to wend my way to a friend's pad at Swiss Cottage. "Punch & Judy" at the Young Vic is quite tempting as I recall seeing the first production, on spec, at The Drill Hall (off the Euston Road) and, as the Rev Bronte said of Charlotte's first novel, "it was much better, than likely" Is the Drill Hall still there and what about the nearby Collegiate Theatre which always provided good fare, particularly during the Camden Festival, is this now moribund? |
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« Reply #117 on: 18:55:41, 21-04-2008 » |
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But even though everybody knows Theseus wins, it would have been a lot more engaging if the audience hadn't been given a great big clue as to exactly WHEN he was going to win... Looked like the world's least complicated labyrinth ever constructed, too. If you can find your way in that easily, you don't need a ball of red string to find your way out again...  Er, no I don't think the problem was finding your way IN, it was finding your way OUT....I think it was quite easy to get in. I absolutely LOVED this - tomorrow I will write a proper review and put it on my blog - the problem was/is that I have really bad backache, and discovered that if I wanted a disabled seat in the stalls I would have had to organise it in advance, and of course when I bought the tix I didn't have backache....so I had to drag myself up to the Amphi, but IT WAS WORTH IT, right from those incredible Wagnerian chords in the brass at the beginning.....Tomlinson excelled himself, and I've never found Birtwistle's music 'difficult' - even 'challenging' sounds wrong, I suppose just 'interesting' - indeed fascinating. But by the time the adrenalin wore off, I was in intense pain from the backache, and yesterday I just had to rest. |
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« Reply #118 on: 18:57:29, 21-04-2008 » |
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"justice is revealed" rather than "is done" I think...but it's rustier than the Titanic (assuming that's very rusty indeed) :-/
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I should think the percentage of the audience that understand must be infinitesimal, as the vast majority have either never learned ancient Greek at all, or else did a bit 99 years ago like me. They can't want people to understand, surely. In fact, perhaps the characters are just going "rhubarb rhubarb" in Greek? The Innocents were chanting some ritual syllables - 'moi, moi', I think - I snuck a look at the libretto in the bookshop beforehand, but couldn't afford to buy it! |
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