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Ron Dough
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« Reply #120 on: 19:11:55, 21-04-2008 »

The Collegiate has long since been renamed the Bloomsbury, Stanley: since it belongs to UCL it's only ever been a part-time pro venue, since the college has first call in term-time.

The Drill Hall's still there, too: sometimes used by the Beeb for radio comedy shows, its well equipped studios and near-central location make it a popular rehearsal/audition venue for smaller companies, certainly far nicer than that appalling Alford (Awful) House near the Oval, which I'm sure you must have visited occasionally, and easier for many to reach than the Dance Attic (now in Fulham Rd, but formerly in Putney).  
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« Reply #121 on: 19:32:48, 21-04-2008 »

 Thanks for the update, Ron: shows how out of date, I am!   

 Glad, too, that the Shaw Theatre seems to have been resurrected; ideal as a cabaret venue, providing they establish consistent programming with first rate artists in the league of, say, Michael Feinstein.

Back to Birtwistle......
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« Reply #122 on: 14:03:11, 22-04-2008 »

8 o'clock South, 8 o'clock South

I'll be there.  Some enchanted evening you may see a stranger across a crowded studio theatre.


Wonder if Harry B will be there too?

Nope, he was at The Minotaur.

Of which more anon.
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« Reply #123 on: 16:17:22, 22-04-2008 »

  # 113.    Thanks, Ruth.     Your response quite percipient.

     lo dike Paneitha  =   I want justice to be shown

 REPLY     'It makes perfect sense, given the context and the way it is set - it's a sort of mantra for Theseus before he kills the Minotaur.'

I've just had another cryptic e-mail from friend, Kyri, and will send your reply.   He is researching and studying mosaics in the caves of north Cyprus.   Don't yet know WHAT this is all about, except that it may be a catharsis for his sustained trauma after we saw "A Passage To India", in the early 80s -  those mysterious caves at Malabar! Grin

He says, 'Phaneitha - without the actual context 's a little unclear  (your response provides the answer to this).    Could also mean 'which has been shown/revealed', this is because the actual ending of the word is in the passive aorist.  Why a capital P?'

I was going to send you a pm but others on the MB may be interested as the plot thickens.   Will also hint to a posh friend in NW3 that the libretto would be handy before the R3 broadcast next month - a po-faced 'It's all Greek to me',  may do it!
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« Reply #124 on: 18:19:47, 22-04-2008 »

The Drill Hall's still there, too: sometimes used by the Beeb for radio comedy shows, its well equipped studios and near-central location make it a popular rehearsal/audition venue for smaller companies,

Well, at least for a while - it was one of the venues cut-off by ACE and is now left without its grant-in-aid funding Sad
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« Reply #125 on: 22:54:22, 25-04-2008 »

Well, here's my two shillings' worth:

I was completely bowled over by The Minotaur. It seemed to me very much like Harry back on 'home territory'. Of course, I'm heavily biased, so readers might want to take this with a large pinch of salt. I can understand those who found the pacing problematic: yes, it's slow to develop, but I like that slow undertow to Birtwistle's music. He's never felt like a composer in a rush! And the Minotaur him/itself is such a strong presence (especially with Tomlinson singing it) that I didn't mind the amount of time spent on the Ariadne-Theseus side of things for much of the first part. It seemed both to balance out the triangle (as it were), to create a sense of the Minotaur's presence without actually being seen, and also to enable the drama to skew towards the Minotaur (and gradually away from Ariadne and Theseus) when he/it did appear.

The vocal lines seemed to me a good deal less stiff and self-conscious than in Gawain - a good thing, IMHO. And the orchestral textures! OMG! Some truly marvellous and often overwhelming stuff there, especially the combination of cymbalom and ?harp before the Keres' appearance at the massacre. (Are they all called Kerry?)  To much really to take in at one hearing.

Having read through the libretto a couple of times before I went, it was a surprise to get on stage more or less what it says in the book (let's face it, that doesn't happen often these day). Alison Chitty's designs were simple but mightily effective. And the mirror in which the Minotaur sees his shadow worked marvellously well, a really striking effect. The ending (though I'd read it in advance) was still a complete shock, a very effective way to finish. A bit like the final gesture in Le Sacre du printemps I thought.

I've hoping to get along again, but this looks unlikely at the moment, as performances are fast selling out and I'm not exactly rolling in money right now. But, as well as being broadcast on R3, it is being filmed (confirmed by the composer himself).

Now what I'd really like to see is a performance without the interval, i.e. in a single span, as it should be! Cheesy

If all that sounds like I've jumped on some passing bandwagon, please bear in mind that I've been on board since it was a rather rickety handcart ... Wink
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« Reply #126 on: 06:06:50, 26-04-2008 »

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Having read through the libretto a couple of times before I went, it was a surprise to get on stage more or less what it says in the book (let's face it, that doesn't happen often these day)

Fair point, although it might be a bit premature to introduce a radical new reinterpretation at the premiere Wink
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« Reply #127 on: 11:36:21, 26-04-2008 »

Went to The Minotaur last night. Very much enjoyed it! I'd avoided reading much about it beforehand, except for reminding myself of the myth. What I found most strikingly different from Birtwistle's other operas was its continuity: everything flowed seamlessly, much more so (I thought) than in even Gawain, which is much more cyclical and sectional. I'd been to Punch and Judy two nights before (wow!  Shocked) and the contrast in style was very great.


The only weak spots for me (spoilers! look away if you haven't been yet!):
- It really seems to have been cut from the same block as Gawain (same librettist too) - no bad thing in itself, but I did find myself thinking "we've been here before..." a couple of times - I'm not sure Harsent's libretto shows as much development from that earlier opera as does Birtwistle's music. But I do like Harsent's fruity, poetic style of writing for the libretto - I just wish he'd found ways of doing it that weren't quite so redolent of Gawain.
- The Keres - I found them a bit embarrassing I'm afraid. They looked like they'd been drafted out of a West End musical, and they weren't that sinister really. Maybe they were meant to be comic relief.

For me the strongest points were the parts where the Minotaur is taunted by the chorus - I found the bellows of the minotaur really chilling, and the music incredibly effective. Terrifying. I also liked Ariadne and Theseus's duet very much.
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« Reply #128 on: 13:00:48, 26-04-2008 »

It must have been Composers Night last night, Stuart. I spotted at least three others (most looking slightly pale and worried by the end Cheesy).

I very much share others' enthusiasm. It's a terrific score with glorious things in it. It made a big impression on first hearing and I can't wait to explore it further with the broadcast, DVD etc. Many more riches to be found I imagine. In terms of Birtwistle's other work (should I be saying 'trajectory'?), I suppose it counts as a 'culmination' or a 'completion' piece rather than one which heads off in a totally new directions but that doesn't lose it any points as far as I am concerned. It is a damn'd fine thing with some fantastically exciting writing for the orchestra in particular.   

As Ollie said, Christine Rice and John Tomlinson both magnificent. It is difficult to imagine them ever being bettered in the parts.   

I can't agree with some of the reviews which said it needed cutting, or that it had longeurs. Not for my money it didn't. As far as I was concerned it felt that Birtwistle knew exactly what he was doing and was rather brilliantly using some of the narrative techniques and pacing of Greek drama to match a 21st century sensibility to great emotional effect. I wouldn't want to lose any of it although, as opilec says, there is a problem with breaking it up with an interval. Once the story/ritual/pulse has been set in motion, you really need to see it through at its own inexorable pace from beginning to end. On the other hand I can see that 2 hours 20 mins is quite a bladder stretch. Not sure of the answer to that one (doesn't Wagner have single acts that last that long?) but a 25 minute tension-sapping interval definitely ain't it.

The set design was great, I thought, some of it (deliberately?) reminiscent of Mask of Orpheus. I do see what Ruth means about some of the direction though, the slaughter of the victims in particular. I felt the problem there was that Langridge couldn't decide whether he was doing this as stylised theatrical ritual (which can be terrifying) or as gruesome realism (ditto), and it fell unhappily in between the two and failed as both. A pity, I agree, but fixable.

And, no, the Keres didn't really work either, did they. Not good. A job lot of Lord of the Rings costume rejects? I hope it was for that reason that I was actually a bit disappointed last night with the very final moments of the opera when an (amplified?) Ker had the last word/screech after Asterios's life has ebbed away. Their silent arrival would have been enough after that astounding final soliloquy from John Tomlinson. (Er, but I wouldn't presume to know better than Sir H over this; it may well have been the particular representation of the Keres in this production that made the very final bars seem less dramatic than they should have been.)

The great news is we have a big, big new work to get our teeth into and two magnificent central performances to bore the grandchildren with.
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« Reply #129 on: 16:06:03, 26-04-2008 »

Indeed, my thought just after the end at the general was 'oh bother, why did that have to happen?'. I wonder what's in the score, in particular whether the scream really has to be there or not.

Am I the only one who found it a bit odd that while Asterios spends so much time lamenting his lack of the word (a touch of Moses there...) the Keres seemed to chatter away perfectly happily?
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« Reply #130 on: 16:23:38, 26-04-2008 »

Indeed, my thought just after the end at the general was 'oh bother, why did that have to happen?'. I wonder what's in the score, in particular whether the scream really has to be there or not.

Well, it's in the libretto: "Ruuuuuuaaaaaaaaaak!" The thing that spoilt it slightly was the amplification. Otherwise I thought it worked. Or would it be better as yet another modern work that just dies away ... ?

The sets and general design reminded me most of Gawain (hardly surprising), but there were clearly elements of Orpheus there too. As George says, very much a "culmination" work. I have a sneaking suspicion that, performed without an interval, (and most definitely without cuts!) it might be one of those works that actually seems shorter as a whole. I mean, whatever next: a supper interval in Das Rheingold?

Yes, the Keres' costumes could do with a rethink. (Can they only fly round in circles?)

But the whole opera made a mighty impression on me, and the only things stopping me going again are a lack of funds and the fact that it's fast selling out.
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« Reply #131 on: 17:27:04, 26-04-2008 »

The Collegiate has long since been renamed the Bloomsbury, Stanley: since it belongs to UCL it's only ever been a part-time pro venue, since the college has first call in term-time.

When I was a student at UCL and involved with the student drama group our use of the Collegiate Theatre was severely restricted - three  shows a year for three nights each or something of the kind.

Returning to Birtwistle - I've just been skimming through the mostly sad "Minotaur" thread at TOP and wondering why, every time a large work of his is put on, this composer comes in for such an avalanche of opprobrium from so many, and not just at TOP of course, as if he wrote the most brutally ungrateful music in the world, which is far from the truth.
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« Reply #132 on: 14:12:35, 29-04-2008 »

wondering why, every time a large work of his is put on, this composer comes in for such an avalanche of opprobrium

Yes, it's funny that - perhaps the reactionaries just shout the loudest?

My seat was bang in the middle of the Stalls (I plumped for the full-price ticket in the end  Smiley ), so presumably a lot of the people around me were regular opera-goers - and not necessarily big fans of new music. Both during the interval and after the performance all the comments I heard from audience members were extremely positive and admiring. There were a few bemused chuckles at the cartoonish gruesomeness of the Keres but my impression was that the opera was a big hit with the audience. Not a single complaint heard about the music - and without wishing to be patronising, I was decidedly impressed by the open minds and ears of the audience.
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« Reply #133 on: 14:38:32, 29-04-2008 »

I'd more or less given up hopes of going again, as the last two performances are sold out and I live too far away to go on the offchance or turn up early for a day ticket.

But today I managed to get a single top-price ticket in the 'grand tier' (Undecided) for the last night. Am now decidedly skint, but very happy! Smiley

I kept telling myself: 'You can't afford this, knucklehead.'
But my shadow just kept answering back: 'You can't possibly judge a new work on just one viewing.'
'Who is that, dark in the mirror beside you?'
'The box office manager.'
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« Reply #134 on: 18:15:32, 29-04-2008 »

I thought the last night was tomorrow, opi! (And I know you're going to the LSO tomorrow, cos I just read it on anuvver fred, diddenay?) So when is it? I might try and get a standing place or a day ticket if I've finished the piece of writing I'm currently in the middle of by then.

And talking of work, thanks so much for the 'shadow' in small print! No way you could have known, but it's just reminded me of a Very Good Idea I had this morning and had completely lost sight of in the course of trying to get something down on paper this afternoon.

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