Reiner Torheit
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« on: 06:44:53, 26-03-2008 » |
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OPERA magazine, bastion of the fogey rearguard, has launched an assault on the ROH for daring to market to the under-60s. Andrew Pierce reports in the Torygraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/25/nopera125.xmlPerceptive readers will notice an advert for the ITV ho-ho sitcom "Benidorm" adjacent to Pierce's blustering tirade about dumbing-down
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #1 on: 07:18:54, 26-03-2008 » |
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There seems to be ample fault - or suspect action - on both sides here, to my mind. Not to appeal - or, still worse, trying not to appeal (or be seen to appeal) - to a younger audience or potential audience is in itself folly, for the obvious reason that strict and strictly successful adherence to such a policy will eventually ensure that there will be no audience at all. That said, to employ the kind of marketing strategy described in this article (assuming it to be a correct representation of what has in fact been done) seems to me to be less a case of "dumbing down" and more a case of just plain "dumb"; it is hard to attach even a shred of genuine credibility to the notion that this approach will guarantee the regular extraction of ticket money from "cool" 20- and 30-somethings that would otherwise not go near an opera house so that they'll attend productions of Die Soldaten, Elektra or Doktor Faust. Perhaps this rather pathetic battle of witlessness and entrenched positions might at least attain some kind of uneasy truce were Tesco itself to start commissioning operas; mind you, if they did, you can just imagine which composers they'd go for and which not, can't you?!...
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #2 on: 07:36:39, 26-03-2008 » |
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some kind of uneasy truce were Tesco itself to start commissioning operas; mind you, if they did, you can just imagine which composers they'd go for and which not, can't you?!...
You might be right there Karl Jenkins hasn't had an ROH premiere yet, I believe But y'never know. Many years ago now, when that "other" opera house in WC2 was premiering THE MASK OF ORPHEUS (it having been passed-over by the ROH, who'd commissioned it in the first place) I was charged with the task of encouraging school-age students to come to the performances. I was surprised and delighted that Marks & Spencers PLC thought this was a marvellous idea, and underwrote the costs of a series of introductory workshops and study-days in connection with the piece. So it's not beyond the bounds of possibility (considering where Tesco are trying to position themselves these days) that a grocers might take interest in music of major importance The Sainsbury family have been patrons of the ROH for years, after all - although I suspect this is more out of personal interest and altruism than any hope to cash-in on the results.
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #3 on: 07:53:45, 26-03-2008 » |
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some kind of uneasy truce were Tesco itself to start commissioning operas; mind you, if they did, you can just imagine which composers they'd go for and which not, can't you?!...
You might be right there Karl Jenkins hasn't had an ROH premiere yet, I believe Oh, for pity's sake, don't give them ideas! But y'never know. Many years ago now, when that "other" opera house in WC2 was premiering THE MASK OF ORPHEUS (it having been passed-over by the ROH, who'd commissioned it in the first place) I was charged with the task of encouraging school-age students to come to the performances. I was surprised and delighted that Marks & Spencers PLC thought this was a marvellous idea, and underwrote the costs of a series of introductory workshops and study-days in connection with the piece.
That's as interesting as it is surprising; all credit to them! So it's not beyond the bounds of possibility (considering where Tesco are trying to position themselves these days)
You mean Buckingham Palace, the Houses of Parliament and Westminster Abbey?!... that a grocers might take interest in music of major importance The Sainsbury family have been patrons of the ROH for years, after all - although I suspect this is more out of personal interest and altruism than any hope to cash-in on the results. You may have a point, although I suspect that the Marks & Spencer case that you cite is sadly unlikely to be typical, so I won't hold my breath waiting for the Midsummer Fruits of the Organic Knot Garden "brought to you by Waitrose"...
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IgnorantRockFan
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« Reply #4 on: 09:30:32, 26-03-2008 » |
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To me, the most stunning bit of lunacy is this: Dunnhumby had reached the conclusion that the opera house appealed to opera and ballet lovers How much spare cash does the ROH have? How much of it went to Dunnhumby to provide this insight? They could have phoned me and I would have told them that for free... and I'm totally ignorant of opera...
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« Reply #5 on: 09:35:04, 26-03-2008 » |
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They could have phoned me and I would have told them that for free... and I'm totally ignorant of opera... RF, you do of course realise that it's the bit before the ellipsis rather than the bit after it* that's standing between you and a lucrative career as an arts consultant... * which I don't believe anyway
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« Reply #6 on: 09:42:22, 26-03-2008 » |
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They could have phoned me and I would have told them that for free... and I'm totally ignorant of opera... RF, you do of course realise that it's the bit before the ellipsis rather than the bit after it* that's standing between you and a lucrative career as an arts consultant...
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #7 on: 09:46:49, 26-03-2008 » |
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consultant n; person who borrows your watch to tell you what time it is - then keeps the watch.
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #8 on: 10:14:57, 26-03-2008 » |
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The magazine said Dunnhumby had reached the conclusion that the opera house appealed to opera and ballet lovers but not to professionals in their 20s and 30s. I know I speak for far more than just myself when I drop the bombshell that the two groups are not mutually exclusive I read somewhere recently - I think it might have been a post by one of the regulars at TOP, or perhaps even here - a theory that the myth of opera appealing only to middle-aged and above is born of the fact that younger professionals DO go to the opera, but the journalists sitting in free Stalls seats can't see far enough to assess the demographic of the Amphitheatre
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen, Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir Den Himmel beßrer Zeiten mir erschlossen, Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür!
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #9 on: 10:39:44, 26-03-2008 » |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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HtoHe
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« Reply #10 on: 10:42:13, 26-03-2008 » |
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I can’t really see what this is all about – probably because I haven’t seen the original magazine article. Are they really complaining because there’s going to be a three-day happening on the sacred grounds of the ROH? Or is Terry Hall (wasn’t he Lenny the Lion’s partner?) falling into the increasingly common error of trying to force people through the doors who don’t want to be there? If the former, then the mag will deservedly be ignored; if the latter then there might be a serious danger of alienating not only the core audience, but those in the target age group who are actually sick of the ‘cool’ crowd and want to explore something different on its own merits.
Is there really a shortage of 20-45 year olds in the ROH audience? I can’t say it’s ever struck me that way. There always seems to be plenty of them when I’m there but maybe that’s because I gravitate towards the amphitheatre on pure cost grounds. I was certainly going to the ROH in my thirties and I’ve introduced several people to the opera at that age; and, I’m glad to say, most of them are still going a few times a year (and two became more zealous than me and are now ‘Friends’ of the house). I can put my hand on my heart and say that, of those who weren’t hooked, lack of ‘coolness’ wasn’t a factor – they just tried opera and didn’t enjoy it. I wonder, though, if Dunhummby’s brief was to get bums on the more expensive seats. Mention of ‘professionals in their 20s and 30s’ hints at this. If that’s the case I suspect they have an uphill task – people who can afford £100+ per seat on a regular basis are in short supply – as they always have been. Of course the consultants get paid whatever happens, don’t they?
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #11 on: 10:58:53, 26-03-2008 » |
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My own feeling is that this is not merely about whether younger people are "wanted" at the ROH. It's also about how the ROH is positioning itself and what it's performing. Looking at the repertoire announced just recently, although there's a big hole where "new work" ought to have been (for which they need their wrists slapped), there's a lot of stuff which is not aimed at the older audience. DIE TOTE STADT, baroque operas, and a good spattering of C20th pieces... they're clearly going for the "Powerhouse" approach.
I think, however, that the consultants they've got in have been utterly hopeless. Calling Pappano "Tony" ain't gonna get da yoof of taday through their doors.... it's a bit more of an exacting science than that.... Personally I think they've missed the goal by a mile, and the result is patronising and insulting, instead of the open-access idea that presumably lay behind it?
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perfect wagnerite
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« Reply #12 on: 11:08:44, 26-03-2008 » |
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I'd agree entirely, Reiner. I also wonder whether this marketing push is motivated more by "bottom line" considerations - an ageing clientele is no basis for the long term, and presumably Ms Hoxha and the apparatchicks have been chanting their usual empty slogans about inclusivity - than by a real desire to broaden the base. Not so much about getting down with the yoof than impressing the bean-counters and the bureaucrats.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #13 on: 11:25:03, 26-03-2008 » |
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I'd agree entirely, Reiner. I also wonder whether this marketing push is motivated more by "bottom line" considerations - an ageing clientele is no basis for the long term,
Exactly - as indeed I implied earlier. and presumably Ms Hoxha and the apparatchicks have been chanting their usual empty slogans about inclusivity - than by a real desire to broaden the base. Not so much about getting down with the yoof than impressing the bean-counters and the bureaucrats.
If only you were wrong. Sadly, you aren't. Indeed, your reference to "bean-counters" adjacent to "bureaucrats" here reminds me that there's precious little difference between this kind of thing and PR about NHS hospital waiting lists. "Inclusivity", indeed - and, while we're about it, let's not forget "cohesion" and "diversity" - all terminological candidates equally well suited to the non-Stockhausenesque mantras so beloved of these people...
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marbleflugel
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« Reply #14 on: 14:15:22, 02-04-2008 » |
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Not long ago a Tescos put up in about 12 minutes, perched symbolically across a bridge in Gerrards Crawse fell to its death, rissoles strewn along the track with the edf and straw holding it together. The resulting keening was heard as far away as Slough, and one felt that Jenkins was somehow, er, spiritually present around the smouldering embers.
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