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Author Topic: Chabier: L'etoile  (Read 383 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 22:49:57, 05-04-2008 »

Maybe we can't cast them so easily these days?  Is the emotional reach of the music too limited for our "sophisticated" ears...  do we need an array of horns and wagner-tubas to satisfy our expectations?   I agree they're staged sometimes...  but in cases of "rare exception", rather than their previous pride-of-place in the repertoire of any opera-house worth the name.

Not being able to cast them is certainly part of the problem - although this is a self-fulfilling problem (if you can't cast them, you can't perform them, so singers won't learn them...). 

The rot probably set in with Faust, which was done to death in performances which overlaid the work with Victorian piety, and which totally neglected the work's lyricism and indeed its eroticism - in their youthful attitude towards women there is a sense in which Gounod and Goethe were much closer in outlook and temperament than many people (and almost all Germans) would care to admit, and it is interesting that Gounod set elements of Faust that are almost all Goethe's own work.  The ENO production, replacing the recitatives with spoken dialogue, turned Faust into something very different from the Victorian morality-play it can all too easily become.

I also wonder whether the growth of recording, with its emphasis on the Italian repertory in particular, may have had an impact.  The growth of recording is linked inexorably with the career of Caruso - the first million-selling recording artist, regarded as a classic now but denounced in his day as someone who trashed the art of lyrical singing and went instead for a histrionic, over-robust style.  I'm speculating here, but I wonder whether the vocal tradition that preceded Caruso in the Italian repertory was much closer to what we normally think of as the French style.  Is it conceivable that the apotheosis of Caruso and his legions of imitators may have helped condemn French opera to the fringes?
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« Reply #16 on: 09:31:58, 06-04-2008 »

Is it conceivable that the apotheosis of Caruso and his legions of imitators may have helped condemn French opera to the fringes?

Am I extropolating correctly that you think that Caruso's "full-on" style might have made the more lyrical style of French singing "unfashionable" enough to clip the wings of the repertoire in which it featured?   I think you may well have something there.

In the C19th, the "great" sopranos (Viardot, Malibran, Lind, although I'm not sure about Pasta) all sang extensively in the French repertoire - Meyerbeer, Saint-Saens, Gounod (Viardot was his Muse, as well as his leading lady), etc.  Who's singing any of that now?

I wonder to what extent the repertoire at the Met dictated the trend?  French opera wasn't popular there - it presented mainly Italian opera.
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« Reply #17 on: 09:44:28, 06-04-2008 »

Am I wrong thinking that now I hear more French operas than in 60s. I only heard about Meyerbeer's operas in history books. Now I hear some arias on radio (or even in commercials).
In general they perform more operas. Now even Berlioz' opera is performed.
May be I think that because I am far away from any musical centers.
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« Reply #18 on: 10:05:34, 06-04-2008 »

Is it conceivable that the apotheosis of Caruso and his legions of imitators may have helped condemn French opera to the fringes?

Am I extropolating correctly that you think that Caruso's "full-on" style might have made the more lyrical style of French singing "unfashionable" enough to clip the wings of the repertoire in which it featured?   I think you may well have something there.


Absolutely - especially since Caruso's records would have shaped the expectations of people coming to opera.
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« Reply #19 on: 10:10:30, 06-04-2008 »

Am I wrong thinking that now I hear more French operas than in 60s. I only heard about Meyerbeer's operas in history books. Now I hear some arias on radio (or even in commercials).
In general they perform more operas. Now even Berlioz' opera is performed.
May be I think that because I am far away from any musical centers.

I don't think Meyerbeer was performed much in Moscow then...  or now either, TP Sad   Was Gounod's FAUST popular?  There's a production at Stanislavsky-Danchenko now,  which is quite good (co-production with Lyon) - but I think I remember reading in the programme-notes that it was the first production for 50 years in Moscow?   

Nice to see you, btw,  I had missed your contributions!  Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: 16:06:57, 06-04-2008 »

Gounod was the only composer whose music was played often. I did not see production in Nemirovich-Danchenko. It was before my time.
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« Reply #21 on: 16:10:26, 06-04-2008 »

I am replying in order to correct my spelling in the title.

Le roi malgre lui sounds fascinating from the Viking Book of Opera entry.  Anyone know it?
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« Reply #22 on: 16:16:57, 06-04-2008 »

I don't know LE ROI MALGRE LUI, but if you rush you could notch-up some points for the disguise elements in the plot in the Opera Quiz thread Smiley
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