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« Reply #15 on: 22:37:08, 08-04-2008 » |
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Tannhauser - in which that first act is even more interminable in the Paris version, which is quite a feat. Mauvais quarts d'heure, indeed.
Yes, indeed it does - although Runnicles is an advocate of the Paris Version, he really thinks it is better? It has Venus turning up at the end, too (allegedly to make the meaning clearer, RW said). Gluck's ORPHEUS ET EURYDICE is another major reworking for the Paris stage. Any more? Two composers not mentioned so far - although they were lauded to the skies in C19th Paris - are Meyerbeer and Auber. Meyerbeer was Berlin-born, yet carved out a career dependent almost entirely on his success at the Paris Opera... his other commissions were mainly offered to him as a successful composer of French opera. Auber is almost entirely forgotten, even in France (although there's an RER Station named after him). With no less than 46 full-scale works to his name, he "scooped" other composers on fashionable librettos, socking out GUSTAVE III before Mercadante (who reset it in Scotland!) and then Verdi got to it. He also produced LE PHILTRE before Donizetti turned it into L'ELISIR. Auber was first-out with a MANON LESCAUT, too. But he's almost entirely unperformed today??
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perfect wagnerite
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« Reply #16 on: 22:40:37, 08-04-2008 » |
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Gluck's ORPHEUS ET EURYDICE is another major reworking for the Paris stage. Any more?
I have a recollection that Berlioz arranged Freischutz for the Paris Opera - and composed recitatives for it. But since Berlioz doted on Weber, he might not have made too many changes.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #17 on: 22:51:52, 08-04-2008 » |
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I suspect the main reason for that was not so much Berlioz wanting to mess around with the piece as Berlioz wanting to get the original into a form that would suit the local conventions - so no spoken dialogue and a compulsory ballet (Berlioz orchestrated Weber's Invitation to the Dance for it). I have a feeling that until Berlioz did that the piece was presented at the Paris opera in a version by Castil-Blaze called Robin des Bois which bore scant resemblance to Weber's... apparently something similar had been perpetrated with The Magic Flute. I would google it and find out for sure but it's getting late... feeble excuse I know.
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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #18 on: 17:10:19, 10-04-2008 » |
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I've just been listening to Gabriel Fauré's piano quintets and I found the booklet note quite interesting when it states that 'his musical thinking is dominated by one great flow, one total process; he does not stick to any rules, he just follows his inspiration. Fauré is never concrete, neither in writing songs, his first field of composition, nor in liturgical works, not even in symphonic and operatic works.'
This got me wondering about his opera, Pénélope, which he described as a Poème lyrique. Kobbé does not have a lot to say about it; Charles Koechlin apparently hailed it as a landmark in the history of French lyric drama, whilst its detractors find it undramatic. Has anyone here heard/seen it? (Or his earlier 'opera' Prométhée?) I've spotted a very cheap Erato recording with Jessye Norman, conducted by Charles Dutoit, so have ordered it out of curiosity. What should I expect?
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« Reply #19 on: 17:15:58, 10-04-2008 » |
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We'll be expecting a detailed write-up of your foray into Faure, IGI. Don't know either PENELOPE or PROMETHEE myself, although I am a longtime fan of the melodies.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #20 on: 11:32:31, 19-04-2008 » |
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I saw Mr and Mrs Algana's recording of Manon for 10 quid in Oxford St with printed libretto and couldn't resist (a bit like the heroine.)
Gosh, it's so French, isn't it. I am suprised how much I am enjoying it. It has a raised Gallic eyebrow which makes Puccini look corny. (I don't know Manon Lescaut, but I am not tempted to find out. I'm thinking of Puccini's other heroines.)
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« Reply #21 on: 12:48:56, 19-04-2008 » |
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Oh, the two Manons are very different works! But I would suggest trying the Puccini sometime, I rate it very highly Puccini's anti-heroine is a full-on vicious bitch, much more so than in MANON. [And of course, the Puccini has the backstage banter gag in it, used for winding-up some cheerful coffee-stop mid-rehearsal - "Mais non, let's go!"]
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« Reply #22 on: 13:35:06, 19-04-2008 » |
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I am not a great one for Puccini, reiner, and I suspect you would want me to give priority to Il Trittico which I don't know at all (apart from O mio babbino caro). And I don't really know La boheme, either, odd though that may sound.
And surely there must be some 28 Handel operas plus most of the Russian repertoire other than Onegin which would have a higher place in the Torheit canon?
And I am almost feeling strong enough to try to get to know Wozzeck. Meanwhile back at la Cours de la Reine...Ah! Fuyez douce image...
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« Reply #23 on: 14:01:41, 19-04-2008 » |
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Fair points! TRITTICO is stupendous BOHEME.. a bit sugary for my taste. If you are looking to expand into the Russian repertoire, I'd point you towards MAZEPPA as Tchaikovsky's masterpiece. And with BORIS upcoming at ENO, you've another tempting treat on offer
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« Reply #24 on: 14:13:14, 19-04-2008 » |
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You might tempt me to Mazeppa, reiner. Any recording in particular (but it must have an English translation. I can't cope with synopses of works I don't know.)
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