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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #30 on: 23:07:55, 28-05-2008 »

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This is my third retype, as I can't make up my mind...  the Britten output is so rich and varied, that I wouldn't like to have to make a choice between GRIMES, DREAM, GLORIANA, HERRING, or BUDD.  BUDD, of course, has the cream of the male roles (since that was a criterion long ago in the opening messages!) but I can't help thinking that DREAM might be the most accessible to a neophyte opera fan...  simply because they will most probably already know the play?   I'm also influenced by the matter mentioned by Ollie above - in the case of GRIMES it's hard to find a DVD with a "perfect" production and cast, whereas for DREAM the Glyndebourne/Peter Hall production and cast is almost unsurpassable*, and deserves a place in any newly-developing collection of opera dvds Smiley

* I ought to mention a noble runner-up which isn't available on dvd at all - Abbey Opera's stunning MSND production for the Camden Festival in around 1985/6 (?) conducted by Tony Shelley, which was truly magical in every way.. the tenor was Ken Browne, whose final agonising over a profession was medicine's gain and music's loss.
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« Reply #31 on: 23:10:56, 28-05-2008 »

This is my third retype, as I can't make up my mind...  the Britten output is so rich and varied, that I wouldn't like to have to make a choice between GRIMES, DREAM, GLORIANA, HERRING, or BUDD.  BUDD, of course, has the cream of the male roles (since that was a criterion long ago in the opening messages!) but I can't help thinking that DREAM might be the most accessible to a neophyte opera fan...  simply because they will most probably already know the play?
I have recommended Albert Herring to various neophytes in recent years.

As for DREAM... I love it.  Most people I know love it.  But I also know quite a lot of opera neophytes who simply can't cope with the concept of a counter-tenor...
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« Reply #32 on: 23:12:00, 28-05-2008 »

Actually, Rheingold is by no means a bad idea.  I have certainly known people who have been won over to Wagner by hearing the Prelude - music that no matter how often one hears it never fails to astonish, by its sheer daring as much as anything.  And the rest of the work has some great set-pieces.

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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #33 on: 23:21:20, 28-05-2008 »

but I can't help thinking that DREAM might be the most accessible to a neophyte opera fan...  simply because they will most probably already know the play?   

And Peter Pears' adaptation of Shakespeare for the libretto is itself a work of something close to genius - no problems with those who love the play feeling that the opera sells them short. 

But I also know quite a lot of opera neophytes who simply can't cope with the concept of a counter-tenor...

A bit off topic ...

One of my most cherished musical memories concerns the occasion when, as a student, I was cajoled (it's a long story) into singing in the choir in a performance of Handel's Saul at an extremely famous public school.  I've never forgotten the looks on the faces of the serried ranks of the Future Masters of the Universe when the (very good) male alto singing David first opened his mouth ...
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« Reply #34 on: 00:28:51, 29-05-2008 »

I'm inclined to agree with you on that one, Reiner (sorry, HtoHe!)  Tannhäuser is the opera I always fancy is being referred to in the famous quote about the great moments and terrible quarter-hours Cheesy

It certainly is.  It's actually a dreadful half-hour between the Overture and the collapse of the Venusberg. 


This view isn't new to me but I do find it rather baffling.  I've introduced a few people to Wagner via Tannhäuser and they have, without exception, been surprised by its accessibility.  The exchange between Tannhäuser & Venus in Act I, with its reprise of the liveliest theme in the overture tends to grab the listener even in a recording.  I remember playing the whole opera on a car stereo during a long journey and by the second 'verse' of Tannhäuser's plea to the goddess a chap who'd never heard the tune before was humming along.  In my experience, newcomers have far more trouble paying attention to, for example, what can seem like an interminable exchange between Isolde & Brangäne in the first half hour of 'Tristan'.

At the risk of failing to live up to my screen name and inviting a 3 am knock on the door from the provisional wing of the Wagner Society, I'd be tempted to introduce your friend to Wagner through highlights.  Let her dip a toe into the water, see if anything grabs her imagination, and take it from there. 

It's a risk worth taking, pw.  The danger, of course, is that you won't be forgiven by someone who blames you for making them sit through two acts of 'Die Walküre' waiting for the music from 'Apocalypse Now'.   I still think the 'Meeting Venus' soundtrack CD is a pretty good selection (with a bit of Robert Schumann thrown in for good measure!).
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« Reply #35 on: 05:01:19, 29-05-2008 »

I don't much care for Der Rosenkavalier, but perhaps your friend might like it? Ochs is pretty energetic is he not? Or is that the wrong kind of energy?
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« Reply #36 on: 09:54:59, 29-05-2008 »

He certainly is in the current ENO version!  John Tomlinson performs everybody else off the stage, which actually overbalances the piece to its detriment.  You almost forget about the Marschallin/Octavian situation...

(Review for OT currently in progress Wink)
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« Reply #37 on: 10:00:08, 29-05-2008 »

Wasn't the title originally going to be Ochs, or some such thing?
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« Reply #38 on: 14:29:25, 29-05-2008 »

   
   Och, Ollie, what's all this about Ochs?   Grin

   More rummaging in the video off-air vaults, Ruth.      How does the David Alden production
   of "Tannhauser" (1999) recorded in the Bavarian State Opera House appeal? ; Zubin Mehta conducts
   the Bayerische Staatsoper;       Rene Kollo (Tannhauser), Waltraud Meier (Venus) and
   Nadine Secunde (Elisabeth)).

   Harry Kupfer's  production of "The Flying Dutchman" (1985), Bayreuth Festspiele, conductor
   Woldemar Nelsson.   Matti Salminen (Daland), Lisbeth Balslev (Senta), Robert Schunk (Erik) and
   Simon Estes (Der Hollander).

   Straight to DVD; for my own personal use, of course.
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« Reply #39 on: 12:20:35, 04-06-2008 »

There's absolutely nothing wrong with 'highlights' discs as way in to Wagner, or any other opera composer. They certainly worked for me!

But are highlights discs now a thing of the past? With complete sets so relatively cheap and with CD players/ipods so easy to programme, is there any need for a record company to cull a selection?

Incidentally, Rudolf Kempe's bespoke highlights selection from Rheingold (basically the first scene, the curse and the finale) would be my top recommendation for the neophyte to this opera.  But it doesn't seem to be widely availabel on CD.
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« Reply #40 on: 12:38:52, 04-06-2008 »

You'll have guessed I am not the best person to enthuse over Wagner, but Rheingold was certainly the work that grabbed my lukewarm interest.

I was going to the Ring at ROH in the lower slips, and in those days before surtitles you had to do your homework.  So I got the LPs out of Westminster City Library and got going.  Rheingold comes first and it was the one that I saw first.

Rheingold comes first, but with no soppy love interest, simply grasped mythic figures, each with its own leitmotif and a glorious start and close, it would be my recommendation.
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« Reply #41 on: 12:42:47, 04-06-2008 »

But are highlights discs now a thing of the past? With complete sets so relatively cheap and with CD players/ipods so easy to programme, is there any need for a record company to cull a selection?

As much as there's ever been, I think: I would imagine some newcomers faced for example with the complete Ring would appreciate some guidance as to which selected moments might provide a way in for them. Personally I prefer to wait until I have a chance to go through an entire work, even in separate "episodes", lest it eventually sit in my memory in the form of "highlights" separated by "in-between bits".
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« Reply #42 on: 13:04:56, 04-06-2008 »

When you think about it, The Ring has remarkably few 'highlights' that are separable from the rest of it (Ride of the V's, Forest Murmers etc.), at least in the way one could separate out an aria from a numbers opera. I think one reason for this is that those many 'bits' of the Ring that are genuinely highlights (the most beautiful/ exciting/ terrifying moments) are so powerfully integrated into the musical and dramatic fabric that they don't really seem to begin or end; in fact their 'coming about' and their dissolution are usually as remarkable as they are themselves. So one thing a highlights disc of The Ring inevitably does is deprive those bits of their contextual clout, although you could of course say the same about any such disc - it's just that with The Ring it seems even more bleeding-chunkish.
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« Reply #43 on: 13:26:53, 04-06-2008 »

seems even more bleeding-chunkish.
Of course you're right, and I wouldn't want to listen to a disc of excerpts now, knowing what I know of the work and having had the opportunity to develop a long attention span, but we're talking about beginners here. Having said that, I agree with previous posts saying that Rheingold as a whole is maybe the best way of entering Wagner's world (it was mine, for instance).
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« Reply #44 on: 15:37:26, 04-06-2008 »

it seems the operatic vandals of ENO have dispensed with the entire Polish Act (I'm guessing so - their write-up gives no mention of which version they're performing, but there's no casting listing for Marina or Rangoni)

Bit late, but it says here http://www.eno.org/whats-on/whats-on.php?id=3336&season=forthcoming
"ENO Music Director Edward Gardner conducts this major new production of Musorgsky’s seven-scene version of Boris Godunov". Don't know if that answers the question?
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