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Author Topic: CALISTO at ROH, Oct 1st  (Read 250 times)
Reiner Torheit
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« on: 20:18:54, 30-09-2008 »

Is anyone else going tomorrow?    I'm sitting in Balcony Left if anyone else is around? 
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« Reply #1 on: 21:58:39, 30-09-2008 »

I listened to Music Matters on my ipod, today, and apparently the conductor thinks it should be played with only five orchestral players and will up the number a bit for the ROH, but not much.

The musical examples in MM were all from the lush Leppard recording of 1970, and jolly good job too.

I still think it should have the same singer as Diana and Giove when disguised as Diana, merely as a matter of diversity and equal opportunities.  If Calisto is seduced by a bloke in drag, bang goes the only example of lesbian seduction I know in opera.  (I have seen Lulu, but it is not  a work I know well.)

I wait to hear the Torheit reaction.
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« Reply #2 on: 07:59:46, 01-10-2008 »

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The musical examples in MM were all from the lush Leppard recording of 1970,

A truly ghastly abomination IMO Sad
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« Reply #3 on: 08:35:13, 01-10-2008 »

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A truly ghastly abomination IMO Sad

Hell yes. I suppose it was just about better than nothing at the time when it came out, but there's no need for that kind of thing any more. However I can't see there's much future in reproducing the scale of ensemble Cavalli would have been familiar with in a modern production and then putting it in a house the size of the Coliseum. When he had the opportunity (as in Ercole amante, written for Louis XIV's wedding but not completed in time) he did use a much more sumptuous ensemble (though of course completely differently constituted from Leppard's romantic excrescences), which seems to have been René Jacobs' cue for using the colourful instrumentations he favours in Cavalli and late Monteverdi.
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« Reply #4 on: 12:15:41, 01-10-2008 »

Leppard's approach at the time was admirable - he won converts for this repertoire in the face of intense scepticism.  And we must always be grateful to him for having done so, and for persuading well-known singers, like Dame J.B., to appear in his productions.

However, the scholarship behind the idea of a tiny ensemble is pretty impeccable, since the salary-books for the musicians survive...  we even know their names individually.   One point where I'd disagree slightly is the assumption that they were only string-players...   musicians of that time were almost always multi-instrumentalists,  and within that group of 5-6 players (plus Cavalli himself at the harpsichord/organ) there would have been the capacity for timbre-changes...  doubling on lutes, recorders, possibly cornetts, and some other instruments.   So I doubt it was limited to "only" a string ensemble.  (The existence of many of these operas in "top instrumental line and continuo only" versions surely can't be accidental - Rene Jacobs has, let's remember, invented whole inner parts for his performances, and they're entirely speculative in nature).

But the point is well-made that the band used for a 400-seater theatre would be inappropriate in the ROH (I'm not aware of ENO ever having tried to do Cavalli - although they did Monteverdi last year,  I wasn't around for that show).

I fear the Jacobs approach isn't based on genuine HIPP concerns - but instead on trying to "repackage" these operas with an "early music symphony orchestra" to make them "acceptable" to a large-scale opera-going public with TOP-type musical expectations Sad

More tomorrow once I've seen it Smiley   David Alden's producing, so there should be something worth seeing.  We ought to remember that the C17th productions had phenomenal stage-machinery and special effects, and lavish costumes...   so "tarting-up" the scores is probably the wrong approach in terms of keeping audience attention?
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« Reply #5 on: 13:23:10, 01-10-2008 »

We ought to remember that the C17th productions had phenomenal stage-machinery and special effects, and lavish costumes... 

So does this!
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« Reply #6 on: 15:10:53, 01-10-2008 »

One point where I'd disagree slightly is the assumption that they were only string-players...
Who said they were? (Sorry, I may have missed something ...)
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« Reply #7 on: 15:50:42, 01-10-2008 »

From what I remember on the Music Matters interview, the opinion was put forward that the orchestra was only strings, plucked (therebo and the like) and few fiddles. 

As well as the execrated Leppard Calisto, I have the Jacobs Giasone, and I recall there are flutes piping away whenever a comic character come off and on the stage.  (I don't personally find stuttering dwarfs that funny, but obviously the first audience of Giasone unfortunately get enough of 'em,)
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« Reply #8 on: 00:40:54, 02-10-2008 »

Briefly...

...  the MUSIC is well-done, considering the impossibility of making a chamber piece "work" in the ROH.  The band is tiny (only two fiddles - which is very restrained and academically justifiable), a "oomphed-up" continuo section (three harpsichords and three theorboes, gamba and cello, plus harp), 2 cornetts (which seemed out of place), 2 recorders, trumpets and one percussionist.

The level to which the (huge) sections of recitativo had been rehearsed was inspiringly good - they made it work as drama.

... the PRODUCTION is glam and gorgeous, modern-dress, and lots of it is quite funny - they get the right "carnival" spirit for all the stuff with fauns, gryphons, satyrs etc.  But it's not "played for laughs", and the serious moments work fairly well.  The last half-hour seems to drag - the budget's spent, there are no more special effects, and it feels rather wearily like a classical author obliged to tie-up every last strand of the plot-material.   I felt that it had rather been put together as "what's the concept for this scene?", and some of the serious material was a bit static once the choreographer's hand wasn't in there to make it plastic.

But it gets 9/10 from me overall for making potentially leaden material into an enjoyable show that isn't reliant on externally-added contrivances to see it through to the end.
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« Reply #9 on: 01:03:33, 02-10-2008 »

I fear the Jacobs approach isn't based on genuine HIPP concerns - but instead on trying to "repackage" these operas with an "early music symphony orchestra" to make them "acceptable" to a large-scale opera-going public with TOP-type musical expectations Sad

Agreed. Although, presumably, performances of such works at princely courts as opposed to public theatres would presumably have used expanded resources (eg. the aforementioned Ercole amante and Cesti's even more extravagant Il pomo d'oro written for the imperial court of Vienna), and the composition of inner parts as necessary also seems to have been widespread - eg. the two surviving scores of Poppea with respectively four- and five-part ritornelli, and the known fact that Lully entrusted the composition of these "parties de remplissage" to assistants.
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« Reply #10 on: 15:14:50, 26-10-2008 »

Just reviving this thread.  Did anyone hear the broadcast of Calisto last night?  Any thoughts? 

I appear to have successfully recorded it via Total Recorder but haven't listened yet.
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