JimD
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« on: 18:06:39, 12-10-2008 » |
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...can it work? I hold tickets for an Opera North concert performance later this year, despite my disappointment that it was a concert performance, and the execrable acoustic at Leeds Town Hall. I recall reading that it was because the orchestra wouldn't fit in the pit at the Grand...seems a bit implausible. Am I wasting my hard-earned spondulix?
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #1 on: 18:48:38, 12-10-2008 » |
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I'd say go for it, Jim: it's a curiously static opera dramtaically, and what happens in the orchestra is every bit as important as the action on stage. Chances are that the singers will be in front of the orchestra, too, which will give them rather more chance of being heard, which doesn't always happen unless you have a considerate conductor. The only time I've seen it live (Nilsson/Solti ROH, '72, with both stage boxes as well as the pit crammed with musoes), the serving women, right down stage, were all but inaudible: Mme N made her first entry deep back centre, but such was the quality of her voice that it sliced through the din like a searchlight through the dark and rode the orchestra easily. Staggering.
Unless my marbles are even more dispersed than I fear, wasn't there an Electra Prom televised a few years back? I have a picture in my mind of Felicity Palmer, costumed, making an entrance down a side aisle of the RAH as Klytemnestra, and the drama being quite undiluted....
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« Reply #2 on: 19:16:53, 12-10-2008 » |
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Unless my marbles are even more dispersed than I fear, wasn't there an Electra Prom televised a few years back? I have a picture in my mind of Felicity Palmer, costumed, making an entrance down a side aisle of the RAH as Klytemnestra, and the drama being quite undiluted....
There certainly was - the opening night of the Proms one year in the mid-Nineties, conducted by Andrew Davis with Marilyn Zschau in the title role, Willard White as Orestes and the late Richard Cassilly, on walking sticks, as Aegisthus. A terrific performance, IIRC, that overcame both the limitations of concert format and the Albert Hall acoustic. As Ron writes, it is a very static work; I've seen it a few times but the performance that sticks in my mind, at Covent Garden with Gwyneth Jones giving an overwhelming performance in the title role, was notable for its stillness - especially in that great confrontation between Elektra and Orestes before they recognise one another. It was one of Dame Gwyneth's good nights vocally as well - and on a good night, like Nilsson, considerate conductors were not something she needed to worry about - but above all she was a supreme actress; when she was on stage you simply could not take your eyes off her. I saw her a number of times in various roles, and this IMO was one of her greatest. Edit, just to add: In fact, I'm not sure I have ever seen a greater all-round operatic performance of anything, anywhere.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #3 on: 19:35:38, 12-10-2008 » |
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PROM 15 29 July 2003 Also televised on BBC 4
Strauss - Elektra (sung in German)
Gabriele Schnaut Elektra Janice Watson Chrysothemis Felicity Palmer Clytemnestra John Treleaven Aegisthus Alan Held Orestes
London Voices BBC Scottish S O: Donald Runnicles
Thanks for the reminder, Ron. Yet another off-air for the DVD transfer list
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« Reply #4 on: 19:37:26, 12-10-2008 » |
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I've just discovered that the performance I was thinking of was the opening night of the 1993 Proms. A sample of what was a great evening can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_NtbKsEbXA
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #5 on: 19:45:39, 12-10-2008 » |
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« Reply #6 on: 19:50:56, 12-10-2008 » |
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But there was a concert performance of Elektra broadcast (I think) in 1996 (on a Sunday afternoon while my mum was doing the ironing - this means that I forever associate the work with the smell of freshly ironed sheets), conducted by Andrew Davis with Willard White as Orestes. The backdrop was green as I recall, so it definitely wasn't this Proms performance. (I think that was possibly the first time I heard White sing) Overall I found it a very powerful, though disturbing experience. I really should go back to the work and listen to it properly some day soon.
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« Reply #7 on: 19:51:10, 12-10-2008 » |
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And if you want something even better, here are the two greatest dramtic sopranos of the last fifty years in the same scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE58sFrCZ9I&feature=related
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #8 on: 19:59:41, 12-10-2008 » |
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Little anecdote, before I listen to that latest clip from PW:
In my second year at college our regular composition teacher was on leave for a term. Nicholas Maw was hauled in to fill the gap. He was SO obsessed by both Elektra and Salome that we could barely get him to look at our music.
'I'm having a problem with this extended cadential idea here. What should I do with this chord - it's just not working?'
'Ooh, that's like a situation in the Dance of the Seven Veils - let's see... here it is. I'll play the whole thing then we can talk about Strauss' approach to second inversion cadential strategies...'
'<grrrr>'
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« Reply #9 on: 20:40:02, 12-10-2008 » |
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Agreed. (phew!) And by the way, I didn't know John W00lrich played the trumpet in his youth
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JimD
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« Reply #11 on: 20:48:49, 12-10-2008 » |
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Wow indeed. And I can see that the orchestra wouldn't fit into the Grand (I'm including the stalls in that.) I suppose I had a vision of demure ladies rising from their chairs at the appropriate time. Let's hope it's more like this! On the second clip, I think you would perhaps need to be a Birgit Nilsson on the point of retirement to get away with it, but then...she was.
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« Reply #12 on: 01:02:22, 13-10-2008 » |
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I recently got over a year-long obsession with Elektra. Whatever it's flaws (and there are many), it's to my mind one of the Great Moments of all opera.
FWIW, one of the things that is overpoweringly present in a live performance, but very rarely approximated in recordings, is the visceral effect of Strauss's mastery of orchestral timbre. I think of moments like the shift from a wind-dominated to a brass-dominated texture, combined with some peculiar registrational strategies, over a cadence, the first time she's all like "Agamemnon, Agamemnon" after her first entry. Or at Orest's first appearance, the way the orchestra exudes a sense of psychological rest (peace?) for the first time in the entire piece (an hour or so in...). Recordings articulate the 'sound' of the orchestration well enough, but not really the physiological effect of a 124-piece orchestra, virtuosically employed.
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