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« Reply #15 on: 16:15:57, 24-02-2007 »

Ah, I left the choice of piano to Natalia Illiukhevich, who you can see in the picture - she chose the Steinway.  She's the former wife of cellist Walter Deshpal, if you maybe remember him?   I'm a very poor pianist personally, so I can't claim to prefer one kind of piano to another!  Of course, the Steinway has a stupendous sound-quality for solo performance,  but I secretly like the sound of the Bluthner in chamber music :-)

Yes, I do go to the Bol'shoi Zal, of course - I've heard some super concerts there... Vengerov, and also Gergiev's "Moscow Easter Festival" is mostly held there.  Last year Gergiev performed "Die Walkure" in concert performance there, with Bryn Terfel as Wotan (and Larissa Gogolevskaya as Brunnhilde).   The hall is closed for major rebuilding at the moment - I think it will be closed until 2008, in fact.  The Maly Zal and Rachmaninov Hall are still open, however.   These days Moscow has two more large concert-halls which you won't have seen - they opened in 2003/4, under the name "Dom Muzyki".  They are in a very contemporary design, and the complex is huge!  On the Moscow River embankment near to Paveletsky Station.  Have a look at their website for photographs of the extraordinary building!  http://www.mmdm.ru/     I don't really like the Bolshoi Zal there,  but the Kamerny Zal is lovely and has very nice acoustics...   to call it "Kamerny Zal" is something of a misdescription, because you can easily put a full symphony orchestra in there!   I heard Gindin playing the Schumann Piano Concerto there,  with the marvellous Vladimir Philharmonic Orchestra  (from city of Vladimir - built-up from nothing in just 2-3 years by wunderkind conductor Artem Markin) - really great!!   I went to the Kronos Quartet concert in Bolshoi Zal, which was great too - but could not fill such a huge hall as that.

Tchaikovsky Concert Hall is still open (I live 5 minutes down the road from it) - and yes, you can still hear the Metro trains rumbling past underneath in the pianissimo passages!

One other new concert-hall I like in Moscow is "Orchestrion".  It's not in the centre - it's a converted "д/к" at Novie Cheriumushky.  Of course this probably sounds funny,  but that area now is considered very prestigious and has very expensive new housing.  The concert-hall is used a lot by the "Russian National Orchestra" - now it's really Pletnev's orchestra, but I don't like his conducting at all, I wish he would stick to what he does well - playing the piano - and leave conducting to professionals!  ;-)
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« Reply #16 on: 16:35:01, 24-02-2007 »

Reiner, All of it so exciting to hear. (I mean to hear about new venues in Moscow). Moscow is a very snobbish city. I remember Tchaikovsky hall well, I did not think at a time it was as good as Bolshoi Zal of conservatory. I loved Bolshoi Zal, was going there since 6 years old. Mali Zal is good too.
In later years many pianists and violinists and even cellists start to conduct. Pletnev, Ashkenazy, Barenboim, Rostropovich (did Menuchin conduct?). I have to say I don't like their conducting. I don't know may be I am used to them in different medium. I feel they take them as conductors because they have a name and attract audience. Conducting is very serious art in itself and demand 100% of attention, not spread between practicing yourown instrument. Conducting is a commitment. This is what I think.
Also the violinist Spivakov conducts, but noone takes his orchestra seriously, I think.
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« Reply #17 on: 16:42:52, 24-02-2007 »

Ho!  Thankyou t-p and Reiner for these fabulous messages.  I found them rather moving.
Cheers
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« Reply #18 on: 16:48:21, 24-02-2007 »

Did you sing in Russia, soundwave? I am glad you find our chat amusing. I knew Moscow of the old USSR, Reiner knows new Moscow. The difference is huge. Time changes and life of musicians changes too. It was very stable for musicians in my time. I don't know how it is now.

There is a great rivary between Moscow conservatory and St, Petersburg.
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« Reply #19 on: 17:23:28, 24-02-2007 »

Ho Trained Pianist.  Sadly, I didn't sing in Russia.  During my career relations were rather strained with the USSR and the opportunity did not arise.  I didn't find your messages amusing, I thought they were interesting and quite moving.  It's good for you to be in touch with Reiner in Moscow, though I hope it doesn't make you feel a little homesick.
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« Reply #21 on: 20:03:28, 24-02-2007 »

Hi Lena

I agree with you - no-one really takes Spivakov's orchestra seriously. However, he has done some incredible PR work and a lot of people who don't know anything about classical music are convinced that he is a "great conductor",  because they see his face a lot on posters Wink   (Usually he is pulling some terrible face and trying to look like Karajan on these posters - it's how people think "conductors ought to look" Wink )

I'd disagree with you about Rostropovich, though - he has always been a conductor as well as a cellist.  In fact I believe he was advised in Conservatory to give up the cello,  since he was better at the piano...  but he liked the cello Smiley   In fact he is an amazing pianist too. He was conducting at the Bolshoi Theatre even when he was young - it's how he met Vishnevskaya, I believe? Smiley

Do you like Gindin's playing?  Is he known outside Russia? The young piano star who is attracting all the interest now is Ekaterina Mechetina,  but that might possibly be for some other reasons too (although she is a very good pianist):

http://eng.mechetina.ru/main.mhtml?Part=3
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« Reply #22 on: 20:23:12, 24-02-2007 »

I am not very knowledgeable, Reiner. I lived my life mostly in CA near Los Angeles, where I did not hear too many things, only ocasionally. I saw Rostropovich conducting something on the TV there. I thought he was good in Russian repertoire, but i don't know enough. I did not hear him in Russia. In CA I heard Horowitz life, it was fantastic.
I heard him as a pianist accompanying Veshnevskay and I think he is a good pianist.
I remember Spivakov after he came second in Tchaikovsky competition and I thought he was very good. I was listening on the radio Tchaikovsky concerto (third round). But then now I see what became of him. Gidon Kremer is a great violinist I think, but again I don't know enough. I have a record of G Kremer playing Schubert.
I lived in Toronto and heard some good performers there. (Ashkenazy, Douglas, Temerkanov conducting (really good)).
I never heard Gindin, have no idea who this is. Mechetina looks beautiful and good at the piano. She must be a good pianist. What are other reasons she is known for (or am I too intrusive?). And she won competition in Cincinati. She must be good.

Here I heard many pianinsts recently. I heard Nose (Italian) who just won competition in Spain.
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« Reply #23 on: 20:44:09, 24-02-2007 »

Oh, I should be clear about Mechetina - she is not famous for any bad reasons! :-)   She has the good fortune to be extremely pretty at the same time as being a fabulously talented pianist who is also a marvellous musician Smiley

I didn't realise you'd lived all over North America!  Were you playing when you were there?

I am not really qualified to judge, but it seems to me that Spivakov is a good violinist.  I have heard him play several solo works, and in that sphere of his work I am entirely impressed.  It's only when he conducts that my knuckles go white and I start murmuring unpleasant words under my breath :-)  He's rather skilled as a showman,  and he invites world-famous performers as soloists with his orchestra...  in this way he has encouraged the belief that he's world-famous himself.  For example, he invited Jessye Norman to perform Wagner's Wesendonck Lieder - I'm afraid it was terrible, he couldn't conduct it at all.  The start of "Im Treibhaus" (which is a study for Tristan & Isolde) started so badly that only two of the violas played, and the others joined in the second bar. However, he has been made Artistic Director of the new Dom Muzyki concert hall mentioned above, and this makes his career rather more secure than most other people's Wink

Frankly we're rather short of great conductors in Moscow at present - the situation would be a bit better if so many of them were not working abroad, of course.  There is a rumour that Temirkanov has been tempted to come from St Petersburg to be Principal Guest Conductor at the Bolshoi Theatre, and this would be wonderful news if it's true?  (The Bolshoi is closed for rebuilding until 2008, so we will not know about this for a while). Unfortunately the main conductor at the Bolshoi, Vedernikov, is very weak, and he only got the job because he's the son of a famous singer. After Kolobov's death, his pupil with a similar name, Felix Korobov, was placed in charge of Novaya Opera - he's good, but still too young. Bulakhov is good, but currently isn't working with a main orchestra - he's a difficult personality.  Denis Kirpanev is good, but very young.  Vladimir Ponkin is very good, but somehow the authorities don't like him, his orchestra was taken away from him and given to Pletnev, and now Ponkin's working at Helikon Opera. Rozhdestvensky is too old to do any more than guest appearances. He has a rather good pupil, Alexei Osetrov, but again, he's very young. Maybe the most interesting of the "young generation" in Moscow is the youngest of all, and grandson of someone "rather famous" - Marius Stravinsky.
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« Reply #24 on: 21:48:59, 24-02-2007 »

So I see. There is some talent in conducting in Moscow, but many are too young and may be need some time.
Do you think Marius Stravinsky is related to Igor Stravinsky?
I remember Vedernikov singer. He was good I thought.

Spivakov is good in adjusting to new realities I suppose. He is playing popular things, but in age when government wants out of financing culture he lures the audience (masses). As strange as it may sound Russia (beeing a backward country it is) often is ahead of Europe. I think in Russia (and USA) one can see the things to come. I donot wish it, I am afraid of it. I am afraid we are going back to 19 century capitalism, but noone knows of course. When there was competition between two systems capitalism had to adjust, now things can roll back. (Sorry, I have tendency to be  a house-philosopher without much knowleadge. As you can see this fact cannot stop me).

I played a little in USA. I mostly accompanied, was in MA programme, but survival was not easy etc). I accompanied singers in Toronto and I taught. There is a russian bariton teacher in Toronto, I played with his student at competitions. I think that beside talent performers have to have many other qualities.

What did you hear Mechetina play?

To be on a high level like Mechetina is something else. May be I will hear her one day.
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« Reply #25 on: 22:01:46, 24-02-2007 »

I really respect accompanists, because it's a very hard and underrated discipline.  The best accompanists are incredible musicians - I am thinking of players like Roger Vignoles and Malcolm Martineau.

I understand what you are saying about Russia, but I hope you're not right ;-)  I hope that the Russian Government will continue to finance culture on present levels, or even on improved levels :-)  If one had to pick things for which Russia was world-famous, then shortly after vodka, Sukhoi fighter-interceptors and plutonium poisoning would come the performing arts - they are the most powerful positive symbol of Russia's fame in the world, and it would be a huge mistake to neglect them.  I'm pleased to say that so far I don't see any sign of them deteriorating further, at least :-)

You're absolutely right about Spivakov playing "popular favourites for the masses", I'm afraid.  I've only heard Mechetina play twice - once was in someone's home, where she happened to be a guest, and she played Chopin... very, very well.  In public I've heard her play only the Tchaikovsky concerto, which frankly doesn't suit her...  maybe this is a "politically incorrect" thing to say, but I feel it's "man's music"?  Her talent lies in brilliant and technically amazing works - I'd rather hear her in the Shostakovich Concerto No 1, for example?

But it is horribly, horribly hard. And there is no money in it.  A mezzo-soprano who last year won awards for her performance in Aida is this year selling mobile phones in a shop.  "I have to feed my children", she said.

PS Marius Stravinsky really is the composer's grandson - he doesn't advertise it, but he doesn't hide it either.
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« Reply #26 on: 22:27:06, 24-02-2007 »

Your last paragraph is a reason why I am saying what I am saying. In Russia of old no singer would be selling mobile phones. There were music schools, colleges etc., life was drab and very little money, but it was more secure (kind of security in a swamp). I meet many Russians here who are working  and bless every hour that they were able to escape. They go back often etc, but they are glad they can live here, take citizenship etc.
They used to have audience, now it is more like USA (money, money, money). I left that Russia of old because I did not like it. We left everything and came out with nothing.
I don't think Russian government cares for culture or their own people. Neither they cared during socialism, nor now. Millions were killed during the was because Russian government did not care and now too, they do not care how people will adjust.
There was a joke I remember. Russian government raises prices for bread 100%. But people still eat bread, Russian government raises price for milk 200%, but people still drink milk. They ask Russian government: Have you tried to dust them with DDT (I forgot the word for chemical they put on plants against insects, I think they ban it). The point is that people are resilient and try to survive in impossible situations.
May be I say it too strongly, but this is what I think about Russian government.

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« Reply #27 on: 10:06:37, 25-02-2007 »

I have a list (that's as long as your arm) of rapidshare links to Bayreuth performances. Alternatively, someone tell me how to upload ......

Hi,

tonybob sent me the file and I've uploaded it to our sister site, so you can view the list at

http://www.r2ok.co.uk/bayreuth.rtf

John W

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« Reply #28 on: 10:16:58, 25-02-2007 »

In the morning I think my opinion is too extreme.
On the subject of man's ond woman's pieces of music I agree. I found that women playing Rachmaninoff concertos weak. They require more physical strength. Do you agree? Or is it extreme view too.
Everyone have pieces that suit them better.
Out of women pianists I like Algeright now and that is all. However, I know too little. Angela Hewitt seems to be a nice performer, though I only heard a handful of her performances on CD.
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« Reply #29 on: 10:20:57, 25-02-2007 »

John W. I don't know how to use it. I downloaded it and then what do I do?
What is it? I understand it is performance of Wagner operas from Beyruth, or I am mixed up again?
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