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Author Topic: Handel's operas  (Read 773 times)
Tony Watson
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« on: 13:35:06, 06-04-2007 »

There was an interesting article on the current fashion for Handel's operas in The Guardian today by Andrew Huth.

Much as I enjoy the occasional Handel aria, I felt a deal of sympathy with this quote:

Don't the devout Handel fans ever yearn for a chorus or a vocal ensemble? Wouldn't they enjoy a bit more orchestral colour? Or even some dancing now and then?

With most of the men sounding much like women, I often find myself longing to hear a tenor or bass voice just for a change. And if Handel was so keen on castrati, why didn't he use them in his oratorios?

Members might like to comment on this quote also:

The dogma that nothing must be changed and nothing cut ensures that we are spared no longueurs or weaknesses... Completeness is a virtue for historians, archivists and the compilers of dictionaries, but has little to do with living art.

The complete article can be read here:

http://music.guardian.co.uk/classical/story/0,,2050995,00.html
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« Reply #1 on: 13:42:21, 18-04-2007 »

Thank you Tony for drawing my attention to this.  I am really disappointed not to have read any reply. I do like Handel, but feel his operas and oratorios go on a bit.  The Guardian piece seemed to be putting a worthwhile question mark against the phenomenon of the Handel operatic revival.

As regards the lack of choruses and ensembles, the first three parts of the Ring manage with neither.

There is a lack of variety of vocal types, but to my mind preferable to Puccini, where you need never hear a mezzo and mezzos and basses never have their solo lyric hits to fit on one side of a 78.  Handel has more variety of characters, even if the majority are singing spectacularly above middle C.

Castrati did sing in oratorios, but not inevitably the star role as in opera.

Any comments from more informed members???
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« Reply #2 on: 14:15:45, 18-04-2007 »

I'm no expert either but, well, I've read the article and he must be talking about some other Handel.

There's plenty for basses to do in Handel, not so much for tenors because the heroic male voices were altos and sopranos back then but at least there's Tamerlano. There aren't many choruses in the operas (although when the oratorios are staged, as some of them such as Belshazzar, Hercules and Theodora can be, there's absolutely no shortage), but that's not Handel's fault. He was writing for something a heck of a lot more immediate than an opera house for 2000+, and the occasional movement for the soloists together is really all you need in a context like that, besides the fact that a smaller orchestra on period instruments is incomparably more characterful and as a bonus lets the voices have their own individual colour because they don't have to yell. (The dynamic level, not the absence of the castrato voice, is more likely to be the problem if the soloists as a group lack colour.) And that in turn lets them project the drama better - if a recitative is something you have trouble sitting through then someone's doing something wrong.

I can't comment on the other aspects though; it seems probable enough that maybe Handel is indeed overshadowing the other Baroquers over there. But for me you can't hear that music properly in a big opera house anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: 17:30:31, 18-04-2007 »

I'm afraid to say I am an unapologetic fan of Handel's operas (and also of the genre of high-baroque opera in general - Vivaldi & Hasse's operas are also rewarding seams to mine).

If one can extrapolate from the situation prevailing rather later, in the 1780s, the situation with English tenors was very weak, and composers avoided casting them specifically because of this reason.  (This is known from the press coverage at the time of the appearance in London of the Irish-but-Italian-trained tenor, Michael "Mick" Kelly, the first "star operatic tenor" in Britain.  He took his above-the-stave notes in full voice (famously socking-out a top Bb in his warhorse aria, "Spirit Of My Sainted Sire" which allegedly "caused the ladies to faint") and commentators of the time mention this fact continuously - and contrast it to the previous fashion for lightweight "tenorino" type voices, or singers who saw no shame in head-voicing or falsettoing at the top.  If this situation prevailed 40-50 years earlier too,  then it's no wonder Handel avoided writing much for tenors Wink   The fact that Purcell's operas also avoid anything major for tenors seems to add weight to this argument.

(I have spent this afternoon rehearsing entirely with just one tenor, and I can add that there are many powerful reasons not to lumber yourself with them in operas if it's avoidable Wink )

Nor, frankly I am not bothered by Handel's choruses, due to over-exposure to them at a Church Of England school by a zealous oratorio-fanatic of greatly advanced years. (I can't tolerate Jubal's bloody Lyre in any shape or form to this day, sadly). 

What you do have in Handel's operas, however, is usually very strong libretti (with some notable and woeful exceptions) and plots that bounce along very happily.   The best of them (Alcina, Rodelinda, Serse, Giulio Cesare, Ariodante, etc) were written as vehicles for the stars of their day,  and they demand nothing less in modern performance...  otherwise they tend to fall a bit flat.  (Unfortunately much of the Handel repertoire has suffered from the "we're-crap-but-we're-your-only-chance-to-hear" brigade, but luckily things have improved in the last decade especially).

Here's Scholl in top form:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WWRHdTCJyyA
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« Reply #4 on: 17:48:20, 18-04-2007 »

composers avoided casting them specifically because of this reason.
Perhaps, but it's also because of a different association between voice and character types in Handel. Or perhaps the association is because of that. Doesn't really matter.

The lack of shame in head-voice above the stave is probably because with the lower dynamic level of performance then there was no difficulty in blending the registers. That's the kind of voice Purcell (and for that matter Monteverdi) would have expected for most of his 'alto' parts - and of course in the French Baroque it's indispensable.

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Nor, frankly I am not bothered by Handel's choruses, due to over-exposure to them at a Church Of England school by a zealous oratorio-fanatic of greatly advanced years.

Pity! Have a look at the Peter Sellars production of Theodora, maybe. Or a listen to How Dark, O Lord, are Thy Decrees from Jephtha or some of the choruses from Hercules. (Or not, of course. You doubtless have other things to do.)
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« Reply #5 on: 18:06:45, 18-04-2007 »

I do enjoy the choruses in the oratorios, but the absence of choruses in the operas doesn't bother me at all, I must say. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

I wasn't too impressed with the Grauniad article. I've been to most of the recent productions he's moaning about and they were more or less packed to the gunwales so I'm not sure in what sense there's too much of it. I agree that it would be good to give Rameau etc an airing but why at the expense of Handel? They could always ditch Puccini instead - now that there is too much of Wink

It also isn't true that the works are never cut in performance - not sure where he got that idea from, though it may seem like that to a Handelphobe...And there was quite a good tenor role in "Poro".
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« Reply #6 on: 20:03:30, 18-04-2007 »

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« Reply #7 on: 20:20:54, 18-04-2007 »

I went to the concert performance of Ariodante at the Barbican a few weeks ago. It was my first Handel opera in performance (I have Giulio Cesare on disc and DVD) and I was totally engaged for the full 4+ hours. The only problem with the length was that, despite superb singing/ playing, many people left at the second interval (21:50) as they would miss trains home. As it was, an 23:10 finish meant I didn't get back home until 1:00am which, as it was a Tuesday night, wasn't too great for work the next day!  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: 22:38:17, 18-04-2007 »

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Pity! Have a look at the Peter Sellars production of Theodora, maybe. Or a listen to How Dark, O Lord, are Thy Decrees from Jephtha or some of the choruses from Hercules. (Or not, of course. You doubtless have other things to do.)

Ah, I don't say I don't or won't listen to them, and I make a point of watching most of what Sellars does anyhow Smiley   Not being a Believer, I can't get overly involved in the oratorios,  although I can see that some of them could (and have been) staged as operas on religious themes.  I'm rather in agreement with Berlioz about the strange logic which makes fugues "sacred" ;-)  I suppose the main offputting thing about Handel's oratorios are grim performances by choral societies Sad  I wish they would stick to "Blest Pair Of Sirens" (a borderline case for the Silly Titles thread) and leave poor Handel alone...
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« Reply #9 on: 22:42:40, 18-04-2007 »

Well, at least it wasn't Blest Pair of Hooters.

Go on then, a few clicks and Theodora can be yours. You won't regret it. And you'll certainly never beat that cast.

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« Reply #10 on: 05:25:58, 19-04-2007 »

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« Reply #11 on: 09:39:19, 19-04-2007 »

Well, at least it wasn't Blest Pair of Hooters.

Go on then, a few clicks and Theodora can be yours. You won't regret it. And you'll certainly never beat that cast.



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« Reply #12 on: 13:26:33, 23-04-2007 »

"Not being a Believer, I can't get overly involved in the oratorios,"  Reiner

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« Reply #13 on: 20:35:09, 24-05-2007 »

Just found this on YouTube: Handel's 'Acis & Galatea', full opera, sound only; a recording from 1960 conducted by Adrian Boult.  Soloists: Joan Sutherland, Peter Pears, Owen Brannigan and a tenor who isn't named.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJQYnnki2lI

Here's an online libretto:

http://opera.stanford.edu/iu/libretti/acis.htm
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« Reply #14 on: 10:42:45, 26-05-2007 »

It was my first Handel box set - I have it around in the parental home down South, so unable to confirm the tenor singing Damon.  Sutherland and Pears later sang together in TURANDOT (PP as the Old Emperor).  Even as a musically uninformed teenager, I was aware it was a surprising partnership.  Any other examples of them singing together.
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