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Author Topic: Famous pianists  (Read 857 times)
trained-pianist
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« on: 20:59:25, 26-05-2007 »

Today I discovered a new pianist for myself. His name is Clifford Curzon.
The reason I did not know him is that he was English pianist and possibly did not visit the USSR.
Or perhaps I was too young when he was performing or not even born yet.

I am so glad I discovered his name. Unfortunately he did not record too much. His recordings now on my wish list.
He is really marvelous pianist.
My favourite English pianists are John Ogden and now Clifford Curzon.
I hope I will discover more English pianists later.
Thank you to Radio 3 for the program.
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« Reply #1 on: 21:09:22, 26-05-2007 »

t-p, try:

http://www.amazon.com/Decca-Recordings-1949-1964-Vol-1/dp/B00008CLMI

http://www.amazon.com/Decca-Recordings-1941-1972-Vol-2/dp/B0000B0A0N/ref=pd_bxgy_m_img_b/102-4161260-4290539

http://www.amazon.com/Clifford-Curzon-Decca-Recordings-1937-1971/dp/B0009A41Y2/ref=pd_bxgy_m_img_b/102-4161260-4290539

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Clifford-Curzon-Decca-Recordings-1944-1970/dp/B000JU7N8I/ref=sr_1_1/202-5064725-2163806?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1180209790&sr=1-1
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« Reply #2 on: 21:12:24, 26-05-2007 »

Thank you Bryn,
I am going to put some of the records to my wish list.

I am listening to the program and they say that he studied with Schnabel. He arrived to Berlin in late 1920s after hearing Schnabel.
I like the program very much. He played Schubert absolute extraordinary. I am so excited.

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« Reply #3 on: 21:17:35, 26-05-2007 »

I was about 10 years old when one of my uncles took me to hear Clifford Curzon (don't know if he was a Sir then) play Beethoven's Emperor Piano Concerto in one of the concert halls in London. It was really only years later that I began to appreciate having heard him play live. I did enjoy hearing about him and hearing him play on R3 this morning, t-p. I was especially amazed that he'd continue to practise a piece having just performed it that evening!

My pianist grandma loved his playing - and she was very particular.
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« Reply #4 on: 21:21:07, 26-05-2007 »

I am listening to ili Boulanger: 3 Pieces for violin and piano. He studied with Landowska in Paris and he knew French repertoire very well. I love the pieces very much.
I have not being so excited for a long time.
MabelJane, you pianist grandma understood pianists really well. I can tell now for sure.
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« Reply #5 on: 23:06:24, 26-05-2007 »

tp, Lili Boulanger is a truly great composer - check out the psalms !
(Other wonderful women composers of the 20th century - while I think about them - Sophie-Carmen Eckhardt-Gramatte [thought by some to be a daughter of Tolstoy], Ruth Crawford [Seeger] and Carla Bley)
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« Reply #6 on: 07:35:49, 27-05-2007 »

I know that Lili Boulanger died young and that she was a composer, but I never before heard her music. Out of two sisters she was more talented that Nadya Boulanger. I know want to put Nadya down. She taught everybody and she was an amazing woman.
I don't know Lili Boulanger psalms. I wonder if she has anything for the piano or small ensemble. I will have to check.
I never heard Sophie-Carmen or Eckhard-Gramatte, Ruth Crawford (Seeger) or Carla Bley even by names. This is another line of inversigation for me.
I have to take it by portions so that I absorb all these information. I don't have powerful brains as you can see. I have to operate with limited capacity. I am afraid to forget or miss something.
I will do a little investigation now so that I don't forget.
I was planning to listen to Alkan and Bowen today in between everything.
Thank you, autoharp, for all your help.
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« Reply #7 on: 10:26:11, 27-05-2007 »

tp - just a quick one before I'm accused of being off-topic . . .

Carla Bley is a jazz composer - of quirky humour, leader of small + large groups; her improvisations do NOT involve playing as many notes as possible to the second.

Sophie-Carmen Eckhardt-Gramatte (one composer) wrote much for both piano and violin - 6 most interesting piano sonatas (especially no. 3) - recorded by Marc-Andre Hamelin on Altarus records. Stokowski managed to persuade her to perform concertos for both violin AND piano in the same concert.

Ruth Crawford composed a number of "ultra-modern" works in the 1920s - dissonant, formalistic and highly original. Like most American composers of the period who had any individuality, she didn't (fortunately in my opinion) go to Europe to study with Nadia Boulanger.
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« Reply #8 on: 10:47:40, 27-05-2007 »

Thank you, autoharp.
These three composers are very interesting.
I have nothing against jazz, but I don't like this fast blobbing passages that tell me nothing (I think abaout them like somebody is brushing his teetgh).
I like to hear the real mporvisation not a mad dash. This is about Carla Bley.

Sophie-Carmen Eckhardt-Gramatte is good for me to know. I might have a chance to play her repertoire (either solo or with the violin). If it is very difficult I can just play it for myself at home. If it is not I can attempt to play it publically. I have a violinist here (he is young, in his mid 20s) who is getting better and doing MA close by. He wants to explore repertoire, but he is not knowledgable like me. We are trying to find pieces to play (different styles and different times).
I am greatful for this information. I am going to look for the music.

Ruth Crawford is a new name to me too. I agree with you about Nadya Boulanger. I read a book about her. I think she was very knowledgeable and brought up well in Paric conservatory. She was a fashionable name and she did a lot for  some people's education. But it is good to preserve one's individuality and not all composers went through rigorous training in conservatory. Russian Mighty bunch did not go through conservatory training. (Borodin, R-K, Kui, Musorgsky etc).
Many composers are self taught and are very original. Some times it takes years to overcome one's education.
I think this is a very interesting discussion. Thank you again.
 
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« Reply #9 on: 21:37:38, 27-05-2007 »

There is very interesting discussion about Curzon on BBC board.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F6643900?thread=4191143&skip=0&show=20
Peter Katin wrote a long post about meeting Curzon.
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« Reply #10 on: 19:12:14, 28-05-2007 »

Thanks for pointing out that thread, interesting to hear Peter Katin's reminiscences.
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« Reply #11 on: 19:17:23, 28-05-2007 »

Today on COTW there was Scriabin. I did not have time to listen. I want to listen to the program later this evening. I still one more appointment to get through.
I wonder who they selected to play Scriabin music.
Scriabin's early music is Chopin like.
I just looked and Hamelin is playing, also Neihaus who was Russia's most famous teacher (Richter and Gilels are his students).
I really want to hear that.
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« Reply #12 on: 19:59:05, 28-05-2007 »


Scriabin's early music is Chopin like.
I just looked and Hamelin is playing, also Neihaus who was Russia's most famous teacher (Richter and Gilels are his students).
I really want to hear that.

I have the cd called Early Scriabin by Stephen Coombs that two of the first pieces on the programme are taken from. It's just been reissued on Hyperion's mid price label Helios. It is like Chopin. The programme also has a very short piano roll of Scriabin himself playing and a piece played "incorrectly" by Rachmaninov that they then show Niehaus playing "correctly".
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« Reply #13 on: 21:01:00, 28-05-2007 »

Thank you BobbyZ. I am listening to the program now. They are playing orchestrated Funeral March.
It is interesting how he started in Chopin's vein and went on to develop a style so original and his own.
He and Rachmaninoff were antipodes. I am listening now to Rachmaninoff who doesn't have a feeling for Scriabin's work. He is playing the music like a Nocturne. I love Rachmaninoff very much as a pianist and composer. There outlook on life and what they felt inside are so different.
I am glad they let us listen to Rachmaninoff as well as Scriabin.

There was a rivalry between Scriabin and  Rachmaninoff. I never heard the story about gold medal that was awarded to Rachmaninoff.
But I am thinking now that there is no place in art of number one and the best etc. There is a place for everybody and every genius brings so much to the world.
Why should we compare Rachmaninoff and Scriabin or anybody else?
We do it to explain things or like a tool, but it is not who is better or worse. It is like you compare one rose to another. They both are beutiful, but one is yellow and another red.
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« Reply #14 on: 00:18:19, 29-05-2007 »

But I am thinking now that there is no place in art of number one and the best etc. There is a place for everybody and every genius brings so much to the world.
Why should we compare Rachmaninoff and Scriabin or anybody else?
We do it to explain things or like a tool, but it is not who is better or worse. It is like you compare one rose to another. They both are beutiful, but one is yellow and another red.

Nicely put, t-p.

I think that when listening to competitions such as the BBC Young Musician of the Year; once you've selected the best in each catergory (and even that can be very difficult) it's impossible really to compare them fairly if they're all very good; they're all winners. Competitions are much easier to judge when the players aren't at that level of excellence.

Night night,

MJ  Kiss
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