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Author Topic: 22nd March - Hugh Wood's Piano Concerto  (Read 408 times)
John W
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« on: 19:35:38, 22-03-2007 »

Hugh Wood's Piano Concerto.

I just cannot listen anymore, I've tried, but I cannot hear music
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« Reply #1 on: 23:11:13, 22-03-2007 »

Is your tuning the problem here?
Perhaps you need to have the volume higher.
Are you sure that you're tuned to Radio 3 and not to Radio 4?
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« Reply #2 on: 23:25:36, 22-03-2007 »

It's sitting on my hard drive now, as I was sidetracked into producing the latest episode of the DSCH 4 saga, and didn't want any distraction. However, as it happens, I listened to his Symphony only last night, and its coupling, Scenes from Comus, which I can't have heard since the Proms premiere on the radio in 1965 (to much bafflement, let me add). I no longer find his music baffling; far from it, indeed the Symphony strikes me as particularly impressive. When I get a chance, I'll try the Piano Concerto; I'm not really all that surprised that John W had problems with it, but I rather suspect I may find it rather more amenable...
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« Reply #3 on: 23:43:50, 22-03-2007 »

Sorry.
Got my serious hat on now.

I had been led to believe that it was going to be rather conservative and not my cup of tea, but I actually quite enjoyed it (it's an awful lot less conservative than, for example, Judith Weir's essay in the same medium). It's not avant-garde certainly, but it's a harder-edged Classicism than that which I had been expecting.

I will Listen Again.
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« Reply #4 on: 11:27:31, 24-03-2007 »

I enjoyed it considerably more than I was expecting to. It's not necessarily 'great' or 'important' music - but thank goodness we're allowed a break from that occasionally - but packed with real interest, I thought and written by someone who was on top of his craft ('craft' not meant derogatively if it sounded like that).
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« Reply #5 on: 11:59:56, 24-03-2007 »

I had been led to believe that it was going to be rather conservative and not my cup of tea, but I actually quite enjoyed it (it's an awful lot less conservative than, for example, Judith Weir's essay in the same medium). It's not avant-garde certainly, but it's a harder-edged Classicism than that which I had been expecting.
Fascinating reaction re Judith Weir, hh. (I actually have real problems with almost all her chamber/small-ensemble-scale instrumental music, since the notes are so tightly woven I can't hear the presumably intended quirky/wittiness, and then it all becomes very earnest and, yes, maybe conservative too, in a funny kind of way. Strange, when the 'reinvention of simplicity' in her orchestral music and operas I often find so eloquent.)

Hugh Wood was on the verge of retiring when I arrived at Cambridge 10 years ago, and gave the 19th-century analysis lectures in my second term. He was only really interested in the German masters - no Berlioz, etc. - and his idea of analysis was to go through each of the Beethoven symphonies movement by movement, breaking down the sonata forms and listing the motives, all of which put him in for a certain amount of ridicule and a pretty intolerant response from a group of first-years who'd already had it made abundantly clear to them in a term of profoundly imaginative C18th lectures that dogged filling out of charts and tables really wouldn't do.

But HW's Germanocentric traditionalism was certainly of the sort that progressed quite happily from Beethoven to Brahms and hence to Schoenberg, and his own music seems to add a strong dash of lyricism from Mozart and sometimes even Messiaen into the mix (plus some jazz in the piano concerto, I believe). I don't know it all that well, but I think it would always hold the interest, and sometimes a bit more than that. I remember hearing a rather good set of variations of some kind for clarinet and piano.

I knew the piano concerto was coming up but had completely missed the fact it was this week. Will have to try and Listen Again, or see if I can dig out the old Collins Classics CD. Hugh was always completely devoted to Joanna MacGregor, by the way, who'd been his student at Cambridge. They're an odd but rather sweet pair. Hugh's bark was always quite fierce, but much, much worse than his bite. He's a softie really, but feels left behind or left out and was not at all good with students en masse by the time I got to know him. But if you approached him after a lecture and asked about his music he'd be thrilled, and stand and talk for hours.
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« Reply #6 on: 12:49:45, 24-03-2007 »

time_is_now,

I was hoping, after my baffled introductory message, that others would explain what Wood's piano concerto was all about, what I should have listened for etc., but particularly your message baffles me even more. Despite his old-fashioned approach to classical music teaching (which I might have liked since I don't have a musical theory background) his piano concerto was something completely alien to me, so I am none the wiser.

If there were some jazz influences then I must have switched off before they arrived. I would like to listen (again) to the jazzy sections if someone can say where they are in the score/performance.

But time_is_now, I do particularly like what you wrote here

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.... But if you approached him after a lecture and asked about his music he'd be thrilled, and stand and talk for hours.

I would have enjoyed that too, and maybe, then, understood something of what he composed.

From other messages above, I gather he did write other more conservative music? How does his violin concerto compare with other 20thC concertos? - my knowledge in that genre is limited to Berg, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Elgar, Barber and Glass  Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: 13:06:55, 24-03-2007 »

time_is_now,

I was hoping, after my baffled introductory message, that others would explain ... ... but particularly your message baffles me even more.
Sorry John ... bad habit of mine!

In my defence, I hardly know the Piano Concerto so wasn't really in a position to enlighten you on that specific piece. I hoped (in good old-fashioned R3 style) that by painting a sympathetic picture of the composer I might at least make you feel you had some point of orientation while Listening Again.

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If there were some jazz influences then I must have switched off before they arrived. I would like to listen (again) to the jazzy sections if someone can say where they are in the score/performance.
I've a feeling they may be in the finale, though don't know where I've got that idea from.

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From other messages above, I gather he did write other more conservative music?
Well, the Piano Concerto was written specially for Joanna MacG, and is certainly supposed to be more effervescent in tone than a lot of his other work, especially in the last 20 years, which has often been quite elegiac. But I think what you were picking up on in other messages above was more the fact that he has a reputation among 'new music' people for being a bit old-fashioned. True, but more in the 'Schoenberg is old-fashioned' way than in the 'tonality is old-fashioned' kind of way, if you see what I mean. Old-fashioned, too, in the sense of mainly having written in the 'standard genres': concertos, string quartets (5 of them I believe), a symphony ...
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