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Author Topic: Rothko/Bacon  (Read 445 times)
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« on: 23:38:50, 01-10-2008 »

I'm going to make sure that I head to the two (London) Tates at some point this Autumn to visit the Bacon and Rothko exhibitions.



The Bacon exhibition at Tate Britain has a website with a whole raft of resources (mainly video and audio) and Ooh! Interactive feature!



The site for Tate Modern's Rothko exhibit looks much less sparkly but you can look at some nice pictures.

George has been to the Rothko and martle's going next week.

How about anyone else? Anyone been to the Bacon yet?
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« Reply #1 on: 00:16:24, 02-10-2008 »

I've not been to the Bacon yet and definitely intend to go. Possibly my favourite painter of all time, though it's a close tie with Cézanne. I'm very bad at keeping track of art exhibitions but mustn't miss this one.
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« Reply #2 on: 08:44:55, 02-10-2008 »

Anyone been to the Bacon yet?

My social secretary has got me down to go on Tues 14th, combining it with the Grisey concert at the QEH in the evening.

I see he has written 'Grisey-Bacon' in the diary. He can get just a bit relentless with the word-play; a symptom of emotional repression I've always suspected.
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« Reply #3 on: 08:51:10, 02-10-2008 »

I'm going to Bacon on Sunday. I had to choose between the two,* which was hard, but went with Bacon because I know much less of his work. What makes him your favourite, tinners?

* Although I may yet sneak off to Rothko later in the year
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« Reply #4 on: 08:54:52, 02-10-2008 »

sneak off to Rothko

Isn't the correct word "shuffle"?
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« Reply #5 on: 09:01:01, 02-10-2008 »

Anyone been to the Bacon yet?

My social secretary has got me down to go on Tues 14th, combining it with the Grisey concert at the QEH in the evening.

I see he has written 'Grisey-Bacon' in the diary. He can get just a bit relentless with the word-play; a symptom of emotional repression I've always suspected.

Gosh! I didn't know about that concert. My own social secretary however tells me that I shall be in Stockholm acting as external examiner for a PhD candidate on that day. Or at least that's what I assume the diary entry "Roast Swede" is supposed to mean.
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« Reply #6 on: 15:08:03, 02-10-2008 »

Gosh indeed! Lips sealed

Tim, it has something to do with the quality of paint, but also something to do with the strange kind of formalised violence inflicted on figurative content. Sorry, that's a bit generalised. I'll try and say some more at some point, maybe when I've been to the exhibition. It strikes me that my reasons for loving Cézanne are not a million miles away from my reasons for loving Bacon.
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« Reply #7 on: 12:25:54, 06-10-2008 »

Gosh indeed! Lips sealed

Tim, it has something to do with the quality of paint, but also something to do with the strange kind of formalised violence inflicted on figurative content. Sorry, that's a bit generalised. I'll try and say some more at some point, maybe when I've been to the exhibition. It strikes me that my reasons for loving Cézanne are not a million miles away from my reasons for loving Bacon.
Bacon always makes me slightly uncomfortable for pretty much the reason you describe - I could never be so ruthless - but there is something quite compelling about his stuff.   It's a bit like staring at a car accident.
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« Reply #8 on: 12:35:21, 06-10-2008 »

My feeling is that Bacon more or less singlehandedly rescued figurative painting from irrelevance, maybe even painting as such. Personally it affects me very strongly and makes most contemporary visual art (and music for that matter, and indeed music which purports to be related to Bacon's paintings too  Wink ) look like window-dressing. I can't find anything more coherent than that to say at the moment, but I'm looking forward to more thoughts from time_is_now. I remember a Bacon retrospective at the old Tate some years ago which left me speechless even though I'd seen much of the work in reproduction - that's what real paintings ought to be able to do, to establish a powerful presence "in the flesh".
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« Reply #9 on: 12:55:36, 06-10-2008 »

The funny thing about seeing the work exhibited is Bacon's preference that all the canvases, however big, should be displayed behind glass. This is something I tend to forget about, since like everyone else I see the work so often in reproduction, but I look forward to being reminded of the real effect when I get to the Tate. Incidentally I haven't yet decided when that should be, though looking at my current schedule I think it will have to be after 20 October, and if anyone from this board fancies a joint visit I'd be interested in that idea.

Richard's first sentence mirrors pretty much my own feelings - certainly the work seems like a powerful argument for the relevance of figurative art. I wouldn't say there are no figurative painters at all from the mid-20th century who interest me, but there seems to be something particularly forceful in the way Bacon does it, which makes the paintings seem in one way like an argument that this is the appropriate subject-matter/style for an artist in Bacon's situation (I'm not sure how specific I'd like to be about what that 'situation' might be, though). I don't think this can be unconnected to his curious relationship to the medium of photography, and if he hadn't himself spent time obfuscating the fact of that relationship then there might have been more critical verbiage expended on developing some insight into the nature or rather the aesthetic effect of it.

I was thinking just last night as it happens about those funny orange or red floors that a lot of Bacon's (later?) paintings have, as if the gallows for an execution had been set up in the middle of a school basketball court or something. They usually seem distracting and a bit 'wrong', compared to the integration of the whole field of the canvas in something like the screaming popes, and I wonder if I'll ever get used to them. I can't decide whether their oddness enhances or detracts from the effect.

 

 
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« Reply #10 on: 21:45:51, 31-10-2008 »

I went to the Rothko yesterday.  The Tate's own Seagram canvases, joined by another seven from US.  (Apparently Rothko eventually painted thirty canvases in the series.)

Also on display parts of some of his other sequences - Brown on Gray, Black on Gray, and Black Form. 

1900 hrs Monday 24 November there will be a concert in the exhibition of music contemporary with Rothko - Morton Feldman (The King of Denmark and Structures for String Quartet) and Earle Brown.  £15 tickets.
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« Reply #11 on: 23:05:05, 31-10-2008 »

The Bacon is truly bizarre - have read snippets about his life and he appears quite a bohemian characteur -does anybody know if there is a biography about him as would be worth reading im sure

I like the Rothko too but im not sure why - when i look at those colours what should i be looking for - i enjoy looking at the colours but feel theres more to it than that - i read in a magazine article recently that his later work had darker colours and reflected his depressed state which ended in his suicide - interesting but sad at the same time!
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« Reply #12 on: 01:33:21, 01-11-2008 »

The Bacon is truly bizarre - have read snippets about his life and he appears quite a bohemian characteur -does anybody know if there is a biography about him as would be worth reading im sure

Anatomy of an Enigma by Michael Peppiatt is supposed to be good, though I haven't read it. I do have the book of interviews he did with David Sylvester, which is excellent.

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« Reply #13 on: 09:59:22, 01-11-2008 »

Seconded on both counts. That is in strongly recommending the Sylvester Interviews with Francis Bacon. And in not having read the Peppiatt book. There's apparently also lots about the Bohemian/Soho life in Daniel Farson's The Gilded Gutter Life of Francis Bacon but I haven't read that one either Undecided.

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« Reply #14 on: 10:06:56, 01-11-2008 »

Thirded about the Sylvester. And I've not read the Peppiatt either.

There's also one or two excellent essays on Bacon by the late and much-missed British art critic Stuart Morgan, available in various collections which are worth having anyway (I have one called Inclinations), though they wouldn't tell you much about biographical matters.
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