Ron Dough
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« Reply #45 on: 10:16:09, 25-07-2007 » |
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We're only a quarter of the way through the season, and some of the statistics may be a little misleading; I'm pretty sure, for example, that until this year the Sinfonia hadn't turned up since '84. That year began with a mini-festival of British Music, and although the usual suspects turned up, there's remarkably little correlation between which works of theirs are played in both of the focus years. Indeed, there seems to be more in common between 2006 and '07, particularly when it comes to the TV broadcasts: DSCH 10 two years running, Prokofiev 2nd piano concerto ditto, for example, though DSCH 10 was also played in '84 - I'm pretty sure that of the cycle it's had the most outings at the Proms. Later in the '84 season we'll see a rather different crop of British composers: Elias, Saxton, Birtwhistle, Gerhard, Maxwell Davies, Hugh Wood, Knussen, Muldowney, Tavener, Musgrave, Colin Matthews and Mathias all represented as well as Maw (and don't forget that Tippett was very much a living figure then, too). In '84 even the older British works which appeared were not always standard fare: the Britten concerti were still less common then than they are now, though the one for violin is starting to be played a little more.
Yes, the BBC orchestras have always had the lion's share of the work for economic reasons. In the 60s and 70s this was even more so, and visits from crack foreign orchestras were very special events indeed.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #46 on: 10:30:24, 25-07-2007 » |
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In the 60s and 70s this was even more so..
Goodness, it was, wasn't it! I've just looked up 1965 out of curiosity. The BBCSO gave 25 out of 50 concerts then compared with 12 out of 72 in 2007.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #47 on: 10:33:10, 25-07-2007 » |
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Where did you look this up, G? Not long ago I was hunting around for an online archive of Proms programmes and couldn't find such a thing. I can't believe you were at the Proms in 1965.
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« Reply #48 on: 10:38:12, 25-07-2007 » |
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The BBCSO gave 25 out of 50 concerts then compared with 12 out of 72 in 2007.
Well yes: until William Glock (whose first Proms season was 1960, but it took him a while to get his plans underway), *no* foreign orchestras played in the Proms at all. Richard - it's difficult to get hold of old Proms programme books unless you can either get to the British Library, or happen to know someone who was there and has kept them! They are just the sort of thing that ought to be online...
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George Garnett
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« Reply #49 on: 10:43:48, 25-07-2007 » |
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I was, Richard. My first Prom was actually 1964 . I don't think they are online but being an anorak I've kept all the Proms Guides from 1965 onwards. Very happy to provide a look up service. I think that probably makes me oral history In fact, just to complement Ron's latest entry, the equivalent concert for Monday 26 July 1965 was Mendelssohn Overture, Fingal's Cave Debussy Three Nocturnes Mahler Symphony No 6 The Ambrosian Singers (Ah yes, remember them? They were said to live on creamed rice.) Halle Orchestra Conductor: Sir John Barbirolli (Oh, ache, ache, no, I didn't go to that one )
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #50 on: 10:56:01, 25-07-2007 » |
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I know it's no substitute but you do at least have this don't you George?
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George Garnett
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« Reply #51 on: 11:18:45, 25-07-2007 » |
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Not yet, I don't, Mr S. Hmmm. It may have to be added to the order for the Boulez Rite with the bassons and the Virtuoso Timpani Concerti. (£££!!! )
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #52 on: 12:42:32, 25-07-2007 » |
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Oops. Sorry George. I'm a bit like that I'm afraid. But maybe you've noticed. Hey, have you heard that Supraphon disc with Josef Suk playing the Martinů violin and viola concertos? Czech Phil / Neumann. Great stuff and... ow! Let go! I'm writing to these lovely people... help!
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #53 on: 00:38:56, 26-07-2007 » |
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Friday 3 August 1984
Bizet Symphony in C major (27 mins) Mozart Concerto in E flat major for two pianos and orchestra, K.365 (26 mins)
Interval
Sir Lennox Berkeley Four poems of St Theresa of Avila (13 mins) Saint-Saëns Symphony No. 3 in C minor (36 mins)
Susan Kessler mezzo-soprano Imogen Cooper piano Anne Queffélec piano
BBC Welsh Symphony Orchestra Conducted by Jacek Kasprzyk
Friday 27 July 2007
The charismatic conductor of last year's Last Night weaves together our Shakespeare and Auden themes with his Hallé orchestra. Strauss's early Shakespearean tonepoem vividly depicts the murder of Duncan and Macbeth's descent to madness. There is antagonism, too, between the battling timpani in Nielsen's 'Inextinguishable' Symphony, but its overriding aim is to celebrate the unflagging spirit of the human life force.
Please note that 'Les Illuminations' replaces 'Our Hunting Fathers', which was previously billed.
R. Strauss Macbeth (18 mins) Britten Les Illuminations (24 mins)
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Nielsen Symphony No.4, 'The Inextinguishable' (36 mins)
Joan Rodgers soprano Hallé Mark Elder conductor
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #54 on: 07:31:39, 26-07-2007 » |
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Macbeth's descent to madness.
Er... no, never mind. Please note that 'Les Illuminations' replaces 'Our Hunting Fathers', which was previously billed.
Damn! Or rather Fie! Fie! Fie!, Ay me, alas, heigh-ho! and Rats! Still, I reckon I'd be at the 2007.
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« Reply #55 on: 08:17:53, 26-07-2007 » |
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Hey, have you heard that Supraphon disc with Josef Suk playing the Martinů violin and viola concertos? Czech Phil / Neumann. Great stuff and... ow! Let go! I'm writing to these lovely people... help!
The one with the purple cover? One of my favourites. What good taste you have Mr S Tommo
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Made by Thompson & son, at the Violin & c. the West end of St. Paul's Churchyard, LONDON
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #56 on: 08:31:54, 26-07-2007 » |
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What good taste you have Mr S
One does one's best.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #57 on: 09:25:12, 26-07-2007 » |
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Macbeth's descent to madness.
Er... no, never mind. We at the Cawdor General Mental Health Unit are trying to establish whether Mr Macbeth is seeing an imaginary dagger or is imagining he is seeing a real dagger. The trouble is we can't now remember which of those is mad and which is sane. He himself keeps insisting he is sane, or 'thane' as he puts it (it turns out on his documents he is actually Mr Macbess). We have a philosopher on standby just in case this gets tricky or pointless.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #58 on: 09:37:46, 26-07-2007 » |
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What a strange coincidence. Across the corridor here at Epidermiology medical science is baffled by the strange case of a woman with an unprecedentedly localised outbreak of acne on one hand, which against our advice she attempted to treat by applying large amounts of perfume. Apparently she is related to the man you mention, Dr Gusset.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #59 on: 09:40:53, 26-07-2007 » |
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I should point out, perhaps, that the blurb for this year's concerts comes direct from the Beeb. Whilst they have managed to update the cast and work alteration, nobody has noticed that the concert now has no Auden connection, since Les Illuminations has words by Rimbaud, or, if we wish to continue the descent into madness theme, possibly Rambo...
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