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richard barrett
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« Reply #60 on: 09:45:26, 26-07-2007 »

Just remembered the real reason for posting in this thread. Nielsen.

One of the items I noticed in the s/h shop I visited the other day was a Berglund set of the symphonies on RCA for 12 euros. Would this be a suitable way for me to get to know these works (never having knowingly heard them before)?
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« Reply #61 on: 10:08:00, 26-07-2007 »

What a strange coincidence. Across the corridor here at Epidermiology medical science is baffled by the strange case of a woman with an unprecedentedly localised outbreak of acne on one hand, which against our advice she attempted to treat by applying large amounts of perfume. Apparently she is related to the man you mention, Dr Gusset.


Dr Lenz

Is there anything in her case notes about a recent visit to the Mental Health Unit or has Admin screwed up yet again? It is very likely to be the same Mrs Macbess that we had in here a week or so back. She was in a bit of a state, sleepwalking, according to a member of her staff at the Castle Guest House, and hallucinating about a dog, name of Spot IIRC. She was adamant that there was nothing in her psychological history that would account for this and there wasn't anything we could do for her. A very persuasive women. We released her back into the community.

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« Reply #62 on: 10:16:24, 26-07-2007 »

r,

I don't know that later Berglund set, though you're unlikely to go far wrong with it at that price. It's a cycle qua cycle that really seems to divide opinions, though: I notice that many people at ToP seem to love the earlier symphonies and dismiss the last two, whereas I listen to 5 and 6 far more than their predecessors, finding the construction of 5 particularly interesting.

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« Reply #63 on: 10:20:22, 26-07-2007 »

One of the items I noticed in the s/h shop I visited the other day was a Berglund set of the symphonies on RCA for 12 euros. Would this be a suitable way for me to get to know these works (never having knowingly heard them before)?
Don't know the Berglunds I'm afraid. (Or the Macbesses, at least not personally, although I still reckon the hubby's basically still mostly there despite a couple of unpleasant hallucinations whereas the missus is clearly a goner.)

But as a starting point it could be worth a squizz. The Bernstein 3 & 5 is an absolutely must-hear for any Nielsenian. The Ole Schmidt box on Regis has some ropey playing but some red hot music-making especially in 2, 5 and 6. Other rippers are the Horenstein 5 (with a completely unhinged snare drum improvisation although probably not something that would impress the more experienced likes of Richard) and the Rattle and (shock!) Karajan 4s, if memory serves me correctly which, er, often it doesn't. I seem to remember Blomstedt being reliable too.

I'm basically a fan although not unconditionally of pretty much all of the symphonies, at least from 2 on. 1 I liked but never got all that much into - there's a very funky syncopated trombone moment near the end which is one of those very offputting accidents of style.

Ironically I've gone off the clarinet concerto a bit. Bother.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #64 on: 10:23:36, 26-07-2007 »

Is there anything in her case notes about a recent visit to the Mental Health Unit or has Admin screwed up yet again? It is very likely to be the same Mrs Macbess that we had in here a week or so back. She was in a bit of a state, sleepwalking, according to a member of her staff at the Castle Guest House, and hallucinating about a dog, name of Spot IIRC. She was adamant that there was nothing in her psychological history that would account for this and there wasn't anything we could do for her. A very persuasive women. We released her back into the community.

Dr Gusset

The patient in question certainly seems to be confused and possibly violent, so I too recommend that care in the community is by far the best option.

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« Reply #65 on: 10:33:43, 26-07-2007 »

My dear Drs

Something about your cases rings a bell with us here in Kent. It's not so much the poor chappie with his eyes gouged out who stumbled into our optometry unit last week, purporting to be escaping the floods in Gloucester, although that was suspicious enough; it's more the loon with a beard who keeps shouting 'Never!' at our very able Nurse Ratched.

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« Reply #66 on: 10:36:47, 26-07-2007 »

Yes, r,

The Bernstein 5 is required listening, even if you buy the Berglund set.
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« Reply #67 on: 12:00:14, 26-07-2007 »

Dear Dr Martle,

Thank you for your communication. If only NHS admin could do a bit of 'joined-up patient-centred' care as they keep telling everyone else to do, we might not have these problems! Your ophthalmology case rang bells with the ocular chappies here too. It seems that this Mr Gloucester has been wandering round the country visiting various NHS outpatient departments and moaning about treatment being a postcode lottery. He did say something about a Dr Foster at Gloucester who unfortunately fell into a puddle right up to his middle and hasn't been taking his clinic since.

The following may or may not be any help with your diagnosis of the bearded gentleman you refer to but, after Mr Gloucester and his companion left, we found this letter (copy enclosed) in the waiting room with lots of angry words scribbled in the margin. I hope this is of some help in assessing his case. It's possible there are family-related issues.

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West of England
17 December

Well, Christmas again, and what a year it’s been! Quite honestly Cornwall and I are looking forward to a bit of peace and quiet this year and are having difficulty hiding our relief that it’s Goneril’s turn to have Daddy over Christmas. Phew! I expect you heard that he was going through one of his ‘difficult’ patches when he stayed with us last year. Goneril and I sometimes wonder whether he does it deliberately. The first thing he did was to announce that he was going to stay for a hundred nights. Can you believe it?! That would have taken us well into April! We finally managed to beat him down to just the four but only after a great deal of fuss and sarcastic muttering.

Cordelia, of course, escapes all this on the grounds that she hasn’t got anywhere to put him up. Yeeees (in my sceptical Lord Hutton voice). As you know, when Daddy decided to hand over the properties to Goneril and me (something to do with inheritance tax; I never really understood it), Cordelia chose to take the shares option instead. At the time we all thought she was being a complete airhead but it turns out that, while the properties proved to be little more than a black hole for repair bills, crafty little Cordy’s shares went right through the roof. She made an absolute mint and now lords it over both of us. Honestly, if the devious little minx wasn’t my sister I would cheerfully throttle her. (Only kidding, Officer!)  These days she’s always gadding to and fro across the channel with her ‘partner’, the King of France. Goodness only knows what she sees in him, or why she preferred him to Burgundy. “Rich, fruity and full bodied, with an elegant aftertaste,” it said on the label, (and I have some reason to believe it, if you get my drift). Well I wouldn’t have kicked him out of bed for eating biscuits, but that’s little sisters for you!!

I have warned Goneril she really must keep a close eye on Daddy. Last year he managed to lock himself out one night and got soaked to the skin wandering around the blasted heath for hours. Everyone else was to blame but him, of course! We never heard the end of it. This year she is going to tie the latch-key round his neck and insist that he only goes out if his ‘carer’ is with him. We never did discover his name by the way. Daddy always just calls him ‘that fool’. (Just entre nous, they actually seem as barmy as each other sometimes. Goodness only knows where Social Services find them!)

Do you remember Edmund by the way? He has been an absolute rock this year; someone you can really trust. I must admit I had always thought of him as a bit of a bastard before but he has made himself absolutely indispensable one way and another. He was wonderfully helpful in hushing up that unfortunate business last Christmas when the game of Blind Man’s Buff got a bit out of hand. (Whoops!!)  Cornwall, bless him, isn’t too wild about him becoming my Personal Trainer (aren’t men ridiculous!) but he is a wonderful source of gossip. He has opened my eyes to all sorts of things going on at court. He tells me, for example, that his brother Edgar’s sudden decision to ‘downsize’ and try a new lifestyle wasn’t at all what it appeared to be. Its funny isn’t it, how you think you know someone…..

Well that is enough from me. I’m really hoping Daddy will mellow a bit this year and stop being such a mystery to everyone. We are due another invasion from across the channel in the New Year when Cordy and ‘France’ threaten to visit. Ah well, I’m sure we’ll all survive it somehow!

Happy Christmas

Regan
   
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« Reply #68 on: 12:07:20, 26-07-2007 »

Gusset, you've outdone yourself!
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« Reply #69 on: 12:37:59, 26-07-2007 »

I remember the 1 August 1984 concert because the speaker in the third  movement of the Berio Sinfonia said 'and tomorrow we'll hear that Harrison Birtwistle's 'Nomos' made tulips grow in my Garden and altered the flow of the  ocean currents.'

sadly ,that didn't happen.
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« Reply #70 on: 12:42:23, 26-07-2007 »

...but we must believe it's true. Wink
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« Reply #71 on: 12:46:04, 26-07-2007 »

'say it again..louder!'
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« Reply #72 on: 12:54:17, 26-07-2007 »

CAN'T STOP THE WARS CAN'T MAKE THE OLD YOUNGER OR LOWER THE PRICE OF BREAD
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« Reply #73 on: 13:07:19, 26-07-2007 »

Thanks, oliver , I did laugh.

Seriously,I think that must be one of the most moving moments in modern music. It still makes the hairs stand up for me.

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« Reply #74 on: 13:18:17, 26-07-2007 »

This time, due to the decidedly strange balance, hardly a word of the narration was audible - indeed, I've spoken to people since who were unaware that the narration even existed, apart from ...


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On the Boulez Warner recording it's  'and tomorrow we'll hear that Berio's 'Eindrücke' made tulips grow in my Garden'; the text requires the insertion of some suitable recent or soon-to-be-heard work; as shown above, Nomos was earlier in the same Prom in 1984, and Eindrücke is the coupling which follows on this particular disc.
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