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Author Topic: prom 1 - BBC Symphony Orchestra/Jiří Bělohlávek  (Read 900 times)
tonybob
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« on: 21:57:34, 13-07-2007 »

waddya think?
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i thought it very worthy, nothing more, but beethoven 9ths heard in the concert hall are different to beethoven 9ths heard on the radio. Chorus singing from memory! all of 'em!
(anyone remember hearing the norrington beethoven 9 prom? blimey!)
the walton, however, was cracking!
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« Reply #1 on: 22:03:10, 13-07-2007 »

I only watched the Elgar and the interval chat because I'd dropped in at my mother's with the dog as the driving rain we'd set off in became torrential.  As I had to walk home, I left at the end of the interval. 

I thought the Elgar was superbly performed.   I've always thought that Jacqueline du Pre had done the definitive version but I felt that tonight's was on a par for technical ability and emotional portrayal.   What a beautiful cello as well!  An 18thC Stradivarius on loan from the Royal Academy.  It had a lovely mellow tone.  I thought it was particularly excellent for a live performance.
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« Reply #2 on: 22:33:23, 13-07-2007 »

anyone remember hearing the norrington beethoven 9 prom?

When was that?

As to tonight's, well, let's hope the performance later in the season is rather better. That sickly sweet approach to the slow movement, (all that dreaded wobbling in the strings), drove me away to do some washing of new bed linen.
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« Reply #3 on: 22:39:06, 13-07-2007 »

1989 i think (?)
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« Reply #4 on: 22:42:38, 13-07-2007 »

I couldn't watch the rest of the programme because son and girlfriend were esconsed on the sofa watching a dvd when I returned. 

I'll be interested to hear everyone else's views.
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« Reply #5 on: 22:44:47, 13-07-2007 »

The chorus was very impressive in the Beethoven, I thought. Singing from memory makes such a difference, and isn't really too difficult- should be done more. I've sung in the Beethoven lots of times - still wake up at the cues! I like the simpler clothes - not a dinner jacket to be seen - very good idea because it's so hideously hot in there.

I'm not really mad about Beethoven symphonies, but the last movement of 9 guarantees I will be an emotional wreck by the end - combination of words and music. I start weeping at "Alle Menschen werden Brüder" and don't stop. (I didn't cry when I was singing in it!)

The Elgar was very good, I thought, not as overwhelming as the du Pre, but beautiful in its own more understated and probably more Elgarian way - bad case of cellists' faces though. Why do cellists do this? Violinists don't, usually. I didn't think he should have to do an interview straight after.
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« Reply #6 on: 23:07:28, 13-07-2007 »

I hate that face-pulling by anyone playing anything.  It's supposed to denote how much they're feeling the music but I'm sure it isn't necessary.  I can't watch some pianists for that reason - one very popular Japanese lady is a case in point!  Wink  All that eye-closing and grimacing...it always seems an insincere affectation and overdone to me.  We should be able to hear the emotion in the music not watch for the expressions.
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« Reply #7 on: 23:14:33, 13-07-2007 »

1989 i think (?)

Ah, I don't think I heard many Proms that summer. However, I have very much enjoyed and admired the three recorded performances of the work, as directed by Noirrington, which I have heard.
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« Reply #8 on: 23:19:35, 13-07-2007 »

Milly - I don't think they do it on purpose, but if they see a recording of themselves you'd think they'd learn something. Do you mean Mitsuko Uchida? When I saw her accompanying Ian Bostridge in Schubert she not only made faces but mouthed all the words. Very distracting!
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« Reply #9 on: 23:23:09, 13-07-2007 »

Yes I do mean Mitsuko Uchida.  I watched her playing Mozart once and it was actually embarrassing in the slow movement.  She looked as though she was experiencing a really bad bout of severe constipation.  There's just no need for it.
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« Reply #10 on: 23:52:50, 13-07-2007 »

I think there is a need for it, you just have to look away... I'm sorry.

Performing is such an incredibly personal experience when it's done right, Ms Uchida is just particularly intense.

To be fair, it took me a while to get past this as well, as an audience member.
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« Reply #11 on: 00:11:24, 14-07-2007 »

I was sweating buckets during the Beethoven. But I didn't care. It was a really visceral performance from the chorus. Being blasted by Herr Pape was quite an experience! Had trouble keeping a straight face.

The Elgar I found really over-egged. He played the same tricks every time he wanted to do some expression. A comrade was apparently so bored by it, he contemplated leaving at the interval (he didn't and was glad of it).
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« Reply #12 on: 00:35:46, 14-07-2007 »

Perhaps I'm not in the right sort of mood today or perhaps it's the weather. But I was quite underwhelmed by tonight's offering. Not one of the conductor's nights to remember. And I didn't like looking at all the mugging going on during the Elgar.
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« Reply #13 on: 09:45:20, 14-07-2007 »

I'm with Tony Watson on Prom 1. Yes, the RAH helps no-one much, but the simple basic fact is that the BBCSO are a workmanlike house band doing their best, but not an outstanding orchestra. Paul Watkins deserved better behind him, and, one of these days, are we going to get over du Pre and out the other side? Fine interpretation, but surely - hopefully - not the last word. Each generation re-defines its attitudes to the core repertoire, doesn't it?
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« Reply #14 on: 10:23:56, 14-07-2007 »

We'd be in a pretty poor state if we were only able to accept our own generation's received wisdom or 're-definition of its attitude' towards any piece of music. Of course du Pre's interpretation isn't the only possible one - far from it - but I personally have no immediate plans to 'get over it'.   

I thought the Beethoven was pretty good last night, in particular the last movement which I thought came across more successfully and as less 'problematic' than it often does. It certainly wasn't a HIP (which I tend to prefer too), nor was it attempting to be; but high quality non-HIP nonetheless. I too thought the BBCSO were doing their best which, to his credit, they have tended to ever since Belohlavek took over. I wasn't overwhelmed but I was solidly whelmed.

but I really do struggle to remember any concert by him that's been better than OK.

Not even Mr Broucek, opilec?

Oh, sorry, wrong pillar. I haven't got a flame thrower, honestly. Completely unarmed.
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