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i've been to loads of BBCNOW proms, and they are always of an extremely high standard, but very poorly attended...
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« Reply #1 on: 20:02:52, 20-07-2007 » |
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Would it be such a bad thing if the pianist used his right hand occasionally in the Ravel?
It's interesting that Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique is in the second half and he gives precise instructions on how the timps are to be played at the beginning of the fourth movement (first of each group of six with both hands and then the following five with the right hand only). Many timpanists don't follow that so couldn't we allow the pianist to do something similar?
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #2 on: 20:09:29, 20-07-2007 » |
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Would it be such a bad thing if the pianist used his right hand occasionally in the Ravel? _elvis.jpg) |
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« Reply #3 on: 20:28:46, 20-07-2007 » |
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Leon Fleisher used to, apparently (and for all I know maybe still does).
But only to hang on to the piano while he did/does the big gliss across the entire keyboard.
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« Reply #4 on: 20:31:04, 20-07-2007 » |
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Leon Fleisher used to, apparently (and for all I know maybe still does).
But only to hang on to the piano while he did/does the big gliss across the entire keyboard.
Hmmmm - yes, that's cheating as well. I reckon all pianists should have their right hand tied to their side or otherwise rendered immobile, so they can bloody well do it like Wittgenstein had to!  |
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« Reply #5 on: 20:44:58, 20-07-2007 » |
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Would it be such a bad thing if the pianist used his right hand occasionally in the Ravel? If you're going to be silly... It's a shame Shostakovich didn't write his first piano concerto for the left hand only because then the soloist could have played the solo trumpet part as well. And what happened to Wittgenstein's right hand? Did it embark on a life of its own, creeping up on people and strangling them, as in a film I saw once? Being sensible again... I've just heard Robert Plane, the principal clarinettist tonight, saying that his collegue will play the E-flat clarinet in the last movement. But that role is given to the principal in the score. Interesting. |
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« Reply #6 on: 20:57:55, 20-07-2007 » |
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It's a shame Shostakovich didn't write his first piano concerto for the left hand only because then the soloist could have played the solo trumpet part as well. Ravel deliberately exploited the expressive tension itself produced by physical tension resulting from the pianist having to navigate treacherous leaps and other demanding passages with only one hand. And what happened to Wittgenstein's right hand? Did it embark on a life of its own, creeping up on people and strangling them, as in a film I saw once? Wittgenstein lost his right arm during the First World War. |
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« Reply #7 on: 21:42:21, 20-07-2007 » |
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It's a shame Shostakovich didn't write his first piano concerto for the left hand only because then the soloist could have played the solo trumpet part as well. Ravel deliberately exploited the expressive tension itself produced by physical tension resulting from the pianist having to navigate treacherous leaps and other demanding passages with only one hand. And what happened to Wittgenstein's right hand? Did it embark on a life of its own, creeping up on people and strangling them, as in a film I saw once? Wittgenstein lost his right arm during the First World War. no ian, tony is quite right. wittgensteins right arm seceded in 1912, and now lives in luxemburg. |
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« Reply #8 on: 21:56:44, 20-07-2007 » |
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I heard it got a part in a TV comedy series - The Addams Family.  (Sorry for my lack of taste in all this.) |
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« Reply #9 on: 22:23:00, 20-07-2007 » |
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<<(Sorry for my lack of taste in all this.)>>
I can think of less tasteful quips about what the pianist might be doing with his spare right hand, Tony.
I thought the Berlioz was very well played this evening. It even survived transmission via the dreaded DAB.
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« Reply #10 on: 23:09:37, 20-07-2007 » |
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I thought the Berlioz was very well played this evening. It even survived transmission via the dreaded DAB.
Agreed. I listened happily to DAB this evening. The bell in the last movement was certainly loud and clear. It was good to hear the repeat in the fourth movement and I'm glad they didn't include the optional cornet part in the second. Normally I'm not as bothered by applause between movements as I know some people are but it was intrusive this time, spoiling the dramatic build up throught the work as it did. |
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« Reply #11 on: 00:12:35, 21-07-2007 » |
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There was even a persistent clapper in the arena tonight. She got lots of dirty looks at every occurrence but nothing stayed her. The thing I must mention (and which no-one listening would have any idea of) was a certain incident with the baton in the last movement of the Berlioz. Just after the first entry of the bell, Fischer gave such a strong upbeat that the baton flew right out of his hand and up into the air quite steeply. It narrowly missed the overhead microphones, and could have gone anywhere, but fortunately it chose the portion of stage between the orchestra and the Prommers. So it was hands only for a while, and then miraculously he produces another one (as if he expected the episode to happen!). I had a bit of a giggling fit, I must say.  |
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« Reply #12 on: 01:10:17, 21-07-2007 » |
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So it was hands only for a while, and then miraculously he produces another one (as if he expected the episode to happen!). I had a bit of a giggling fit, I must say. And what of its dimensions? |
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« Reply #13 on: 01:11:12, 21-07-2007 » |
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What I really meant was that the bell was a bit too prominent. At least it seemed well enough in tune, which doesn't always happen. Your giggling could not be heard though, eruanto!
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« Reply #14 on: 01:12:26, 21-07-2007 » |
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There was even a persistent clapper in the arena tonight. Wot, in the bell? |
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