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tonybob
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« on: 22:51:42, 10-08-2007 »
brahms 3 in the first half?!
i wish i was young(er); just listening to it makes me exhausted.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #1 on: 00:10:26, 11-08-2007 »
Hearing the Tragic Overture with the 3rd symphony will be exhausting for me. Is that a sensible coupling?
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #2 on: 08:34:37, 11-08-2007 »
Quote from: opilec on 00:24:51, 11-08-2007
The VPO/Pretre concert I went to last year also had Brahms 3 in the first half. In the second half: Firebird Suite and Daphnis Suite 2. It worked very well!  Smiley

That's just wussy programming. Why weren't the ballets complete? Typical pandering to the MTV attention span. Wink
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #3 on: 14:48:00, 11-08-2007 »
It's an early start. Is it because they're Europeans and it will be like 7.30pm for them? Or don't they realize our licensing laws have changed and the pubs are open later now? Maybe the young players have bed times to keep to. Or perhaps they have to get ready for Gotterdammerung tomorrow.

But at least an early start will give time for an encore. I really think they should give one. My money's on Valse Triste.
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« Reply #4 on: 17:25:04, 11-08-2007 »
I'll go for a Brahms Hungarian Dance.
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« Reply #5 on: 17:29:17, 11-08-2007 »
Brahms 4!  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: 18:06:17, 11-08-2007 »
ha!

colin matthews' orchestration of the 'opus clavicembalisticum'?
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« Reply #7 on: 18:59:54, 11-08-2007 »
Quote from: tonybob on 18:06:17, 11-08-2007
ha!

colin matthews' orchestration of the 'opus clavicembalisticum'?
That's kind of an interesting idea (apart from the Colin Matthews bit).
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« Reply #8 on: 19:35:19, 11-08-2007 »
Quote from: richard barrett on 18:59:54, 11-08-2007
Quote from: tonybob on 18:06:17, 11-08-2007
ha!

colin matthews' orchestration of the 'opus clavicembalisticum'?
That's kind of an interesting idea (apart from the Colin Matthews bit).
Oh, that's abit unfair! Anyway, what about Peter Maxwell Davies's orchestration of the first two movements IF ONLY ANYONE COULD LAY THEIR HANDS ON IT!!

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richard barrett
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« Reply #9 on: 19:42:59, 11-08-2007 »
Are you telling us there exists such a thing?

As for C Matthews, it's a matter of taste I know but if anyone were to orchestrate Sorabji I'd prefer it to be a composer with more imagination than that. (Have you heard Heinz Holliger's orchestrations of some late Liszt pieces? - something further along those lines, for example.)
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #10 on: 21:45:04, 11-08-2007 »
No encore, then. I'm not that surprised but considering this orchestra is a special guest and they don't play together for long, it seemed a shame.

I still think it was wrong to start with the Tragic Overture, given that Brahms 3 was on next (and which I thought was the best item tonight).

Aleee - I read what you said about the timps on the other MB and I agree they were a bit woolly. I wonder whether he would have been better off using different sticks.

I found the Sibelius a bit disappointing. Too much holding back towards the end when he should have kept the momentum going, too fast at times. And were the flutes and oboes in tune at the beginning? Some good string playing throughout, though.
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« Reply #11 on: 22:11:30, 11-08-2007 »
And there was me looking to forward to the match bet betweem Valse Triste
and a Hungarian Dance !

The female timpanist in the Tragic Overture was the star of the show in my book.

I have kept the Brahms on DVD and deleted the disappointingly soggy Sibelius.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #12 on: 22:28:40, 11-08-2007 »
I think VT would have won it by a short head, Alee! But as for changing players, I think the changes in the woodwind were for the worse in the Sibelius. Perhaps, just perhaps, Colin Davis is getting too old. He looked very tired by the end.
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« Reply #13 on: 22:32:02, 11-08-2007 »
Quote from: richard barrett on 19:42:59, 11-08-2007
Are you telling us there exists such a thing?
I am telling you and anyone else interested that I understand that there is - or at least was - such a thing and that he evidently can't remember what he did with it - it dates from around 1955 or 1956.

Quote from: richard barrett on 19:42:59, 11-08-2007
As for C Matthews, it's a matter of taste I know but if anyone were to orchestrate Sorabji I'd prefer it to be a composer with more imagination than that. (Have you heard Heinz Holliger's orchestrations of some late Liszt pieces? - something further along those lines, for example.)
No, I've not heard those orchestrations and am now agog to do so! That said, I'm quite sure that CMatt would not choose to orchestrate any of OC...

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« Reply #14 on: 11:29:59, 12-08-2007 »
Quote from: Tony Watson on 21:45:04, 11-08-2007
Sibelius...... Too much holding back towards the end when he should have kept the momentum going.

I was surprised by that too. I'm hopeless at remembering previous performances accurately but I've heard Davis conduct Sibelius 5 a couple of times before and I'm sure he didn't do anything like that previously (I thought I had a recording of his but it turns out I don't Sad). Certainly not the younger, fiery Davis anyway. I can't say I found it actually 'wrong' or anything but he really is getting more and more mellow and 'expansive' these days isn't he? 

I do agree about the EUYO string playing though. Lovely stuff and you could hear everything going on in there for once. Terrific.
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